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EVE Does Nothing to Assist the Blind or Visually Impaired
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Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#41 - 2012-05-07 21:45:27 UTC
TRIATHALONS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SUFFERERS OF LOCKED IN SYNDROME!

RABBLERABBLERABBLE

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-05-07 21:51:16 UTC
I feel that not only doesn't EVE do anything to assist the visually impaired, I think the game works very hard to MAKE people blind or visually impaired. Big smile

Seriously, no ability to change or scale the UI fonts in a game in 2012? How does that even happen?
Josef Djugashvilis
#43 - 2012-05-07 21:53:17 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
TRIATHALONS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SUFFERERS OF LOCKED IN SYNDROME!

RABBLERABBLERABBLE


I was not aware that many in the prison population wanted to take part in triathlons.

This is not a signature.
seany1212
M Y S T
#44 - 2012-05-07 21:56:04 UTC
I DEMAND AUDIO DESCRIPTION FOR THE BLIND!!!

"Your Hulk class mining vessel begins to explode under the blaster fire of Helicity Boson's catalyst" Lol
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#45 - 2012-05-07 21:58:31 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
I can understand folks who are color blind, but if a player is blind even with glasses then that player shouldn't be playing Eve.


And inseneitive morons like yourself should just crawl into a hole a do the world a favor and die. I pray that you never lose you sight because it appears you have taken it for granted. There be you but for the grace of God.

I am visually impaired and to say I'm not worthy of playing this game because of my disability is WORNG. I have struggled for years to play this game. UI changes, font changes, forum changes etc. I still play at 800x600 on a 24" LCD with the largest font sizr available.

The op is absolutely correct CCP has given NO thought to the visually impaired, SIMPLE changes would make a world of difference.

1. Larger fonts
2. High contrast text and UI
3. The ability to scale the UI at a lower resolution.
4. Having Aura read emails and alerts
5. Get input on proposed changes from visually impaired or disabled players BEFORE implemented

Changes to allow disabled playes, be it visual, hearing, limb paralysis or otherwise that would allow them to participate in EVE would benefit everyone as well as potentially expanding their playerbase. Most of these changes could be done with little to no additional effort on their part.

I will continue to play EVE to the best of my ability for as long as I can. I only hope that eventually the changes forthcoming will not prevent me from playing.
seany1212
M Y S T
#46 - 2012-05-07 22:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: seany1212
Kaidu Kahn wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
I can understand folks who are color blind, but if a player is blind even with glasses then that player shouldn't be playing Eve.


I am visually impaired and to say I'm not worthy of playing this game because of my disability is WORNG. I have struggled for years to play this game. UI changes, font changes, forum changes etc. I still play at 800x600 on a 24" LCD with the largest font sizr available.



Except for the last 2 patches they've done nothing but working on the User Interface to improve it for the visually impaired, they've added scaling, improved both the text font and size and spaced more the gaps between targetted items, if you think it is bad now then you clearly haven't been around long enough to complain. Get off your high horse, CCP have attempted at least to improve it for the visually impaired, that's a lot more than other companies can put a claim too Roll
Loike
Pyramid Celestial
#47 - 2012-05-07 22:03:18 UTC
OP should get him and his blind friends to join goons, lose a JF and then complain to CCP, certain matter will be resolved in a couple of day.
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#48 - 2012-05-07 22:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaidu Kahn
seany1212 wrote:
if you think it is bad now then you clearly haven't been around long enough to complain.


Kaidu Kahn
Date of Birth 2007-02-04 00:16:00

No I guess that isn't long enough
seany1212
M Y S T
#49 - 2012-05-07 22:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: seany1212
Kaidu Kahn wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
if you think it is bad now then you clearly haven't been around long enough to complain.


Kaidu Kahn
Date of Birth 2007-02-04 00:16:00

No I guess that isn't long enough


If only there was some service where you could get characters for isk, OH WAIT... Roll

The point is the text before all the UI changes was tiny to those even with good vision and your post slates everything they've worked on since.

EDIT: CCP cannot cater to every disability, no company realistically can as it costs both resources and money, CCP are trying to boost all subscriptions as well as working on EvE and DUST as it is without trying to get voice actors and further UI designers to cater to the hard of seeing.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-05-07 22:13:53 UTC
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4. Having Aura read emails and alerts



This is precious you blind bastard. The whole of CCP could put down sticks and just work on this forever and they would not solve this problem and if they did they would all make Billions overnight and forget about this game.


Most EVE players we dont have girlfriends because we play this game. Does that mean that CCP employees should come around and blow us to compensate for our losses
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#51 - 2012-05-07 22:22:24 UTC
i wear hearing aids in both ears .... wait ....eve has sound ? ! .... my corpies despair that i never get on T/S .... or any other voice comms .... can i have special treatment ...no i dont think so .... what makes you so special ?.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#52 - 2012-05-07 22:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Copine Callmeknau
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
TRIATHALONS DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SUFFERERS OF LOCKED IN SYNDROME!

RABBLERABBLERABBLE


I was not aware that many in the prison population wanted to take part in triathlons.

Stroke victims actually


also

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#53 - 2012-05-07 22:27:02 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Quote:
4. Having Aura read emails and alerts



This is precious you blind bastard. The whole of CCP could put down sticks and just work on this forever and they would not solve this problem and if they did they would all make Billions overnight and forget about this game.



Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......

My phone can read my emails, my wifes car can read her emails don't know what the problem is.

Quote:
Most EVE players we dont have girlfriends because we play this game. Does that mean that CCP employees should come around and blow us to compensate for our losses


With your attitude and apparent intelligence level I can understand why you don't have a girlfriend.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-05-07 22:39:57 UTC
Kaidu Kahn wrote:



Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......

My phone can read my emails, my wifes car can read her emails don't know what the problem is.



Your wife's phone also has the licensing fees for that text to speech software baked into the cost. Why should Eve subscribers have to pay fees for something that effects very close to 0% of the Eve population?
Mathias Hex
#55 - 2012-05-07 22:41:12 UTC
Mastershitpost

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
seany1212
M Y S T
#56 - 2012-05-07 22:42:17 UTC
Kaidu Kahn wrote:

Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......


LOL that CCP would have to license at cost when they could pour more money into advertising and increase the overall population. You might be waiting a while...
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-05-07 22:45:20 UTC
All joking aside.

This game has a base of 300k accounts and they are improving the game for the majority. If they stop and spend all there time working on a facet that will only help a tiny proportion of the game it will make the able bodied see the disabled more and more as militants whose rights come before the majority.


I know that only 5% of the blind population are actually blind and the majority fall into your category of partially sighted but can you not find any work arounds. and if you want things changed perhaps you could as a blind man could offer solutions to the problems that you face?

For instance, how would you use brail in this game. As far as im aware screens are flat and not bumpy (i know this was facetious but im sure you understand)
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Tazarak theDeceiver
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#58 - 2012-05-07 22:45:33 UTC
This is the only game I can think of playing that didn't accommodate for color blind people with alternate symbols, rather than just differentiating colours.

Yes, this is feeding a troll. But, it is surprising CCP has never done anything about this fact when far worse games have.
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
#59 - 2012-05-07 22:55:43 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Kaidu Kahn wrote:

Maybe if there were already text to speech engine already developed they could easily integrate, Oh wait......


LOL that CCP would have to license at cost when they could pour more money into advertising and increase the overall population. You might be waiting a while...


If only there were open source solutions available for little to no cost to CCP.......

http://espeak.sourceforge.net/
http://mary.dfki.de/
http://www.naturalreaders.com/index.htm

or maybe even inncluded with you OS.......

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306902

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#60 - 2012-05-08 04:33:19 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Dear CCP;
I demand you make silly, pointless, and useless changes to the way you write your game, even if such changes are hideously impractical, ruinously expensive, and /or impossible.

In fact, the less plausible the possible change, the more I demand you make it.

Fail in this, and I shall waggle my finger at you and ***** impotently.


(s)
Thank you,
Whinging Loser.

Not only a strawman, but your sarcasm belittles the plight of the blind.

If I were a GM I'd ban you from the forums for insensitivity! Trolling the blind?!?


It's okay, the blind can't read anyway.

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