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Goonswarm: They are doing something with Ice and Oxytopes

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Vin Hellsing
#161 - 2011-10-01 18:23:12 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
lol the only agenda here is "kill the game"
Looks like theyre no longer content to killing "your" game, looks like they want to kill THE game now


The Mittens is a smart guy. He wouldn't be where he is if he was stupid. So he must know that you can't possibly create a monopoly out of something as accessible as ice. Sure, losing a brutix to kill a Mack can look all profitable and dettering on paper, but when miners will get their insured, tanked covetors instead, it will suddenly be a lot less profitable. Let them suicide their dominixes on those, it will cost them more to replace. And you won't need a huge increase of Oxytope prices to make covetor ice mining more profitable than last week's mackinaw mining.

No, Mittens must know he can't "break the market" and that it will result only in maybe a 3-5% increase in T2 ship prod cost. What he probably has done must be invest a ton of money last week to buy huge stocks of Oxytopes, and resell them now, making profits in the dozen of billions. And trolling the rest of Eve, which must flatter his ego.

Well played, Mittens, well played.


well thanks and all, but i think all of you are underestimating the simple raw sadism of your average goon

this has been tremendously fun; trying to destroy the galactic economy and get rich while doing it is a nice perk, but mostly it's about inflicting suffering en masse on people we dislike


Which is basically all of New Eden? Not a good way to guarantee long-term survival.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#162 - 2011-10-01 18:25:53 UTC
Lorren Canada wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
ganking bots is this what this topic was about?. i should report my own posts for being offtopic


How about reporting them for being terrible?



im not a member of goons or thier pets so im not allowed the terrible tag

OMG when can i get a pic here
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2011-10-01 18:26:44 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Lorren Canada wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
ganking bots is this what this topic was about?. i should report my own posts for being offtopic


How about reporting them for being terrible?



im not a member of goons or thier pets so im not allowed the terrible tag


IDK your alliance tag is pretty terrible
Vin Hellsing
#164 - 2011-10-01 18:28:30 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
we have bombers en route, never fear; we will protect the belts from the scourge of ice mining

~realpost~

I've blown up almost sixty exhumers since tuesday. 90% of them are bots. They sit there and try to mine in pods. Ice mining is probably the single most corrupt profession in EVE. Not like I care, we're not doing this for justice and truth, but to wreak havoc, inflict suffering and get money.



What's funny is when the other CSM's post my bullshit-o-meter goes off the scale, am I however detecting a noble effort hidden discreetly beneath this CSM's sarcasm? Shocked


i assure you it's not noble, when i said during the campaign that i'm a manipulative bastard and a sadist i wasn't kidding

people don't really seem to understand the whole sadist thing though, they blow it off as a joke or something, idk


If you want an inkling of nobility to be attached to your name as a CSM, maybe dipping into your ******* coffers to reimburse the REAL miners for their ship losses (not the mining resource losses) would be a nice move.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#165 - 2011-10-01 18:30:46 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Lorren Canada wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
ganking bots is this what this topic was about?. i should report my own posts for being offtopic


How about reporting them for being terrible?



im not a member of goons or thier pets so im not allowed the terrible tag


IDK your alliance tag is pretty terrible


wow, now thats funny. and its never been said before, honest

OMG when can i get a pic here
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#166 - 2011-10-01 18:30:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Smoking Blunts wrote:

what are the possitive things that higher t2 items and higher cost travel would lead too?


That's a good question.

Higher priced T2:
This leads to several positive effects.

(1) T2 is skill-intensive compared to meta 1-4. Cheap T2 means that T2 is the standard fitting, which means that players who have not yet accumulated the skills required find it relatively harder to compete. In a scenario where T2 is expensive and is therefore less commonly used, lower skilled players are comparitively advantaged.*

(2) More diversity in fittings. I'm just going to assert that this is ipso facto a good thing because diversity encourages creativity and novelty, both of which EVE needs like a hungry fat chick needs cake.

(3) Expensive T2 pulls up the value of meta items, which makes ratting more profitable, and which means that looting has a comparative advantage over (inflationary) blitzing.

Higher travel costs:
This leads to several positive effects.

(1) It encourages alliances to seek conflict closer to home, and penalises that "Nothing but blues for 40 jumps" factor.

(2) It adds a little more expense to the inevitable hotdrops.

(3) It encourages people to use supcaps rather than capitals.


*I am aware that this conflicts with my Law. Feel free to discuss the applicability in this situation.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2011-10-01 18:30:56 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
also many research towers run off of oxygen isotopes.


Wrong, most research tower is Caldari which consumes nitrogen isotopes. So if Goonswarm's intention is to hurt most research tower owners in highsec, then they're doing it wrong.



actually it hurts REACTION towers not research towers.

Gallente Large Towers are the best for running reactions in because


1. they have the best cpu/pg ratio for setting up reaction towers

2. they get a silo bonus

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Sandwich PvP
#168 - 2011-10-01 18:32:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Sandwich PvP wrote:
Lol, looks like the Goons are struggling a bit now...The miners are fighting back with EC drones and shield bots. Shocked
This has all the makings of a halarious fail, time to farm Goonies before it's too late.




Careful now, once you start trying to insinuate that players should do things for themselves instead of slinging random insults at the CSM or crying to CCP, then EP will know that you're a goon alt for sure.



lol, now there is no reason to be insulting, I'm just out watching the fun, and getting the occasional free Goon kill...it's all good.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#169 - 2011-10-01 18:33:10 UTC
Sandwich PvP wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Sandwich PvP wrote:
Lol, looks like the Goons are struggling a bit now...The miners are fighting back with EC drones and shield bots. Shocked
This has all the makings of a halarious fail, time to farm Goonies before it's too late.




Careful now, once you start trying to insinuate that players should do things for themselves instead of slinging random insults at the CSM or crying to CCP, then EP will know that you're a goon alt for sure.



lol, now there is no reason to be insulting, I'm just out watching the fun, and getting the occasional free Goon kill...it's all good.




GOON ALT DETECTED!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
IIIAsharakIII
The League of Extraordinary Assholes
Leviathan.
#170 - 2011-10-01 18:34:36 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Deranged Arguements.



Can I just ask you something?

Do you prefer Vodka, or whole grain alchohal?

Got any issues with women or bodily fluids?

Just curious.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#171 - 2011-10-01 18:34:59 UTC
Vin Hellsing wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
lol the only agenda here is "kill the game"
Looks like theyre no longer content to killing "your" game, looks like they want to kill THE game now


The Mittens is a smart guy. He wouldn't be where he is if he was stupid. So he must know that you can't possibly create a monopoly out of something as accessible as ice. Sure, losing a brutix to kill a Mack can look all profitable and dettering on paper, but when miners will get their insured, tanked covetors instead, it will suddenly be a lot less profitable. Let them suicide their dominixes on those, it will cost them more to replace. And you won't need a huge increase of Oxytope prices to make covetor ice mining more profitable than last week's mackinaw mining.

No, Mittens must know he can't "break the market" and that it will result only in maybe a 3-5% increase in T2 ship prod cost. What he probably has done must be invest a ton of money last week to buy huge stocks of Oxytopes, and resell them now, making profits in the dozen of billions. And trolling the rest of Eve, which must flatter his ego.

Well played, Mittens, well played.


well thanks and all, but i think all of you are underestimating the simple raw sadism of your average goon

this has been tremendously fun; trying to destroy the galactic economy and get rich while doing it is a nice perk, but mostly it's about inflicting suffering en masse on people we dislike


Which is basically all of New Eden? Not a good way to guarantee long-term survival.


My own dear alliance has set virtually everyone else in EVE as "KOS". Is this a good way to "guarantee long-term survival"?

Is long term survival the final metric of a good playstyle?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#172 - 2011-10-01 18:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lorren Canada
Vin Hellsing wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Shadowsword wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
lol the only agenda here is "kill the game"
Looks like theyre no longer content to killing "your" game, looks like they want to kill THE game now


The Mittens is a smart guy. He wouldn't be where he is if he was stupid. So he must know that you can't possibly create a monopoly out of something as accessible as ice. Sure, losing a brutix to kill a Mack can look all profitable and dettering on paper, but when miners will get their insured, tanked covetors instead, it will suddenly be a lot less profitable. Let them suicide their dominixes on those, it will cost them more to replace. And you won't need a huge increase of Oxytope prices to make covetor ice mining more profitable than last week's mackinaw mining.

No, Mittens must know he can't "break the market" and that it will result only in maybe a 3-5% increase in T2 ship prod cost. What he probably has done must be invest a ton of money last week to buy huge stocks of Oxytopes, and resell them now, making profits in the dozen of billions. And trolling the rest of Eve, which must flatter his ego.

Well played, Mittens, well played.


well thanks and all, but i think all of you are underestimating the simple raw sadism of your average goon

this has been tremendously fun; trying to destroy the galactic economy and get rich while doing it is a nice perk, but mostly it's about inflicting suffering en masse on people we dislike


Which is basically all of New Eden? Not a good way to guarantee long-term survival.


History would prove you wrong, since the goons have waged war against most of New Eden for the better part of the last six (seven?) years and only ever risen higher and higher.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#173 - 2011-10-01 18:37:24 UTC
Lorren Canada wrote:


Also, don't talk **** to Mal, as he is ten times the poster you will ever be.


Only ten? You just made the list, buddy. The bad list.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sandwich PvP
#174 - 2011-10-01 18:43:59 UTC
Lorren Canada wrote:
Sandwich PvP wrote:
Lol, looks like the Goons are struggling a bit now...The miners are fighting back with EC drones and shield bots. Shocked
This has all the makings of a halarious fail, time to farm Goonies before it's too late.




As if shield bots and ecm drones will stop a brutix which can alpha a mack. Also, please learn to spell.


Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
in all seriousness i can't stop ganking exhumers, it's addictive as hell


There's four hulks sitting right next to each other in Jaschercis. They're using ECM, rep drones and an oneiros to be ~safe~.

Please fix this ^_^


OMW, Oneiros are ****.


Yes, a Jr Goon discussing spelling, thread is now complete.... \0/

And so far, the Goonie Brutix's seem to be lacking something, because they aren't getting alphas, and seem to be having trouble killing un-defended Macs/Hulks.....Shocked
Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#175 - 2011-10-01 18:46:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lorren Canada wrote:


Also, don't talk **** to Mal, as he is ten times the poster you will ever be.


Only ten? You just made the list, buddy. The bad list.


Uh-oh, there goes my rep :(
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#176 - 2011-10-01 18:48:38 UTC
Vin Hellsing wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
we have bombers en route, never fear; we will protect the belts from the scourge of ice mining

~realpost~

I've blown up almost sixty exhumers since tuesday. 90% of them are bots. They sit there and try to mine in pods. Ice mining is probably the single most corrupt profession in EVE. Not like I care, we're not doing this for justice and truth, but to wreak havoc, inflict suffering and get money.



What's funny is when the other CSM's post my bullshit-o-meter goes off the scale, am I however detecting a noble effort hidden discreetly beneath this CSM's sarcasm? Shocked


i assure you it's not noble, when i said during the campaign that i'm a manipulative bastard and a sadist i wasn't kidding

people don't really seem to understand the whole sadist thing though, they blow it off as a joke or something, idk


If you want an inkling of nobility to be attached to your name as a CSM, maybe dipping into your ******* coffers to reimburse the REAL miners for their ship losses (not the mining resource losses) would be a nice move.


i don't care about your morality or your views on right and wrong, i'm the leader of ******* goonswarm

people have forgotten that as the CSM has gone to bat for the playerbase against CCP. i wear two hats - on the one hand, i want the game to be better and for CCP to stop ******* things up. on the other hand, i run goonswarm, and we hate you, where you = anyone not our friend.

~hi~
That's A Fact
Doomheim
#177 - 2011-10-01 18:49:49 UTC
Goons are stupid

And that's a fact
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#178 - 2011-10-01 18:50:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:

what are the possitive things that higher t2 items and higher cost travel would lead too?


That's a good question.

Higher priced T2:
This leads to several positive effects.

(1) T2 is skill-intensive compared to meta 1-4. Cheap T2 means that T2 is the standard fitting, which means that players who have not yet accumulated the skills required find it relatively harder to compete. In a scenario where T2 is expensive and is therefore less commonly used, lower skilled players are comparitively advantaged.*

(2) More diversity in fittings. I'm just going to assert that this is ipso facto a good thing because diversity encourages creativity and novelty, both of which EVE needs like a hungry fat chick needs cake.

(3) Expensive T2 pulls up the value of meta items, which makes ratting more profitable, and which means that looting has a comparative advantage over (inflationary) blitzing.

Higher travel costs:
This leads to several positive effects.

(1) It encourages alliances to seek conflict closer to home, and penalises that "Nothing but blues for 40 jumps" factor.

(2) It adds a little more expense to the inevitable hotdrops.

(3) It encourages people to use supcaps rather than capitals.


*I am aware that this conflicts with my Law. Feel free to discuss the applicability in this situation.


Higher priced T2:

1,its not eve 2004, without learning skills training times are way less than before. its not hard to get t2 tanking skills its like 1 month for both shield and armour. less than it used to be training learning skills
2, new fittings are coming out all teh time, in the past year hell cats, thundercats, welp canes to name just a few have all shown up, these at the time were out the box thinking, the next new standard will also be out side the box.
3. in most cases currently meta 4 is more expensive than t2, you want meta 4's to cost more than it already does, dosnt that just hurt the nub?

Higher travel costs:
1, alliances dont care what it costs to move capitals about. its a everyday living expense. only small times grunts do, they are teh only ones directly effected
2. a little extra cost that dosnt matter for any alliance, see 1
3, higher costs dont make people use scaps more, the scap iwin button does.

higher costs for t2 and fuel only effect grunts, alliances will just suck it up as a living expense, same as most 'older richer' players

OMG when can i get a pic here
Hroya
#179 - 2011-10-01 18:54:30 UTC
You dont HATE them, you're just trying to play your game the way you find it entertaining.

Just make sure that when you wear that "other hat" you're doing your best to make sure this game continues in a proper manner and facillittes aspects not quite supporting your own needs and wants.

You can continue harvesting those precious tears from there.

You go your corridor but.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2011-10-01 18:59:11 UTC
Wow, I should buy stock in Tinfoil, instead of building Brutix and Thorax hulls.


Tinfoil hats here, get 'yer tinfoil hats here. Only thing to stop the ebil Goonie mind control rays here. Only way to actually see the ebil Goonie plots within plots here. Only 500 mil ISK.

Roll

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin