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EVE Does Nothing to Assist the Blind or Visually Impaired
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Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-05-07 19:37:04 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I actually mused on this the other day. What games could I play if I found myself blind?

It's a short list, and Eve ain't on it.


The lifestyle change you would encounter would be scary for sure.
Tillin Sylph
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-05-07 19:37:56 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I actually mused on this the other day. What games could I play if I found myself blind?

It's a short list, and Eve ain't on it.


There's one game every man is equipped to play.

Unless he has no hands. Or no penis.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-05-07 19:52:28 UTC
I broke my neck and now im a quadraplegic and i demand that you rewrite the game so i can play it with a pencil in my mouth.


Otherwise you hate all minorities and love terrorists
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#24 - 2012-05-07 20:02:22 UTC
Troll or not...

World of tanks has a color blind mode... Troll has a point...

We had a whine thread about the deaf not able to hear the eve trailers....

WHERE IS COLOR BLIND MODE CCP?
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#25 - 2012-05-07 20:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Not wanting to troll but Accessible interfaces are great, I fully support them and indeed have developed them, the other side of this is ... automation.. screen readers etc, UIAutomation, IAccessible etc all make it easier to AUTOMATE, and thus, botting.

Not saying this should prevent it, automation can be prevented by pattern analysis and those that require accessible interfaces can and should notify CCP and thus not be falsley reported for automating / botting, given an exception to the rule for obvious reasons but this kind of interface would be exploited by cheaters. Not saying you cheat, just putting it out there of the other side of the coin with accessible interafaces, but I belive that can be managed easily with common sense on CCP's part and indeed not with a technical solution to prevent automation.

This is why they removed the "letterbox" mode. It was being exploited by botters, once it is possible to construct or get accesible to a logical model of the interface, its ripe for exploitation.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-05-07 20:07:34 UTC
Im also a black man and i demand that you rewrite Eve Lore as We would not be minmatar slaves in the future.


Im also sending you on a Racial insensitivity course.


Ill let you get started :)
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#27 - 2012-05-07 20:07:57 UTC
Why can't dead people play this game

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-05-07 20:08:50 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Not wanting to troll but Accessible interfaces are great, I fully support them and indeed have developed them, the other side of this is ... automation.. screen readers etc, UIAutomation, IAccessible etc all make it easier to AUTOMATE, and thus, botting.

Not saying this should prevent it, automation can be prevented by pattern analysis and those that require accessible interfaces can and should notify CCP and thus not be falsley reported for automating / botting, given an exception to the rule for obvious reasons but this kind of interface would be exploited by cheaters. Not saying you cheat, just putting it out there of the other side of the coin with accessible interafaces, but I belive that can be managed easily with common sense on CCP's part and indeed not with a technical solution to prevent automation.

This is why they removed the "letterbox" mode. It was being exploited by botters, once it is possible to construct or get accesible to a logical model of the interface, its ripe for exploitation.


So, essentially, you're saying that getting rid of bots is more important than making a game playable by the disabled?
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#29 - 2012-05-07 20:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Not wanting to troll but Accessible interfaces are great, I fully support them and indeed have developed them, the other side of this is ... automation.. screen readers etc, UIAutomation, IAccessible etc all make it easier to AUTOMATE, and thus, botting.

Not saying this should prevent it, automation can be prevented by pattern analysis and those that require accessible interfaces can and should notify CCP and thus not be falsley reported for automating / botting, given an exception to the rule for obvious reasons but this kind of interface would be exploited by cheaters. Not saying you cheat, just putting it out there of the other side of the coin with accessible interafaces, but I belive that can be managed easily with common sense on CCP's part and indeed not with a technical solution to prevent automation.

This is why they removed the "letterbox" mode. It was being exploited by botters, once it is possible to construct or get accesible to a logical model of the interface, its ripe for exploitation.


So, essentially, you're saying that getting rid of bots is more important than making a game playable by the disabled?


Not at all, I am saying, it will be exploited by botters. I also said, it is manageable.

This isnt just an Eve issue, it is a gaming industry wide issue, makign games accessible to all. And it will also be exploited by cheaters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13054691
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_game
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/spot-on-the-blind-gaming-the-blind-6215457

This issue has been around since the dawn of computers.

Definitely an area for a company to make an impact and license their technology to gaming companies.
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-05-07 20:13:09 UTC
Miilla wrote:


Not at all, I am saying, it will be exploited by botters. I also said, it is manageable.

This isnt just an Eve issue, it is a gaming industry wide issue, makign games accessible to all. And it will also be exploited by cheaters.


Fair enough.

Maybe you contact CCP to get an authorization to unlock the disability mode, and then CCP has a list of accounts to pay special attention to?
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-05-07 20:14:42 UTC
Miilla wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I actually mused on this the other day. What games could I play if I found myself blind?

It's a short list, and Eve ain't on it.


I am sure perhaps 99% of games aren't on that list either.

MUDs and old RPGs should work pretty well

.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#32 - 2012-05-07 20:14:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Miilla wrote:


Not at all, I am saying, it will be exploited by botters. I also said, it is manageable.

This isnt just an Eve issue, it is a gaming industry wide issue, makign games accessible to all. And it will also be exploited by cheaters.


Fair enough.

Maybe you contact CCP to get an authorization to unlock the disability mode, and then CCP has a list of accounts to pay special attention to?



Well; i wouldn't go far as to require formal certifications of disability be presented to CCP lol, but there is definitely room for a company to make technology available to game developers and make big money , if that is what it takes to motivate them.

I don't honestly think CCP have the money and time and resources to put into this, they would have to license it most likely as would others. Perhaps if you contact Valve and make them more aware of it, Valve are the kind of company that would be able to do this, they got the money and structure for it.

On a positive note, wearables are finally becoming mainstream after decades of research, haptic feedback and augmented interfaces will make it much easier for disabled people to get into gaming, I hope, in fact I am actually VERY interested in haptic and augmented interfaces in the mobile space at the present time.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#33 - 2012-05-07 20:17:23 UTC
I can understand folks who are color blind, but if a player is blind even with glasses then that player shouldn't be playing Eve. What if CCP revamps the mining industry that requires players to "visually look" at the rocks to determine mineral content and quality?

Then there is the heat of a battle in which braille is not suitable for or even hinders the player in the process. There is a reason assault ship pilots manually fly their ships instead of hitting "orbit".

The only time I could see braille working at its fullest is during station trading.

Adapt or Die
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-05-07 21:11:00 UTC
I've actually been wondering for some time how long it will take before the same handicapped grievance mongers that demanded every pool and hot tub in the US have an elevator for morbidly obese people and paraplegics start to file lawsuits against game and web developers who don't make their services 100% accessible.

When I was growing up, it was normal to feel sympathy for the handicapped. But now, a group of them have turned into bitter, hateful, ADA-lawsuit fueled blind, deaf, and wheelchaired devils trying to drag their victims down into legal hell. Nowaways when I see someone handicapped, I just think "I wonder who their lawyer is."

I miss the days when they were nice and sweet and the only thing you had to worry about was starring too long.
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#35 - 2012-05-07 21:23:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kale Eledar
masternerdguy wrote:
EVE is 9 years old. It is a mature project that is late in the life cycle, so it is surprising that no accessibility features have been added.

While UI scaling has helped a bit, there are still no options to play EVE in a minimalistic, text oriented, mode. This mode already exists, it is called the thin client and is used by CCP to mass test without wasting computing time on rendering. With some adjustments the thin client could be made compatible with devices such as Braille displays and text to speech systems.

CCP has written EVE in such a way that is is completely incompatible with Braille displays. EVE lacks any sort of color blind mode and has no high contrast mode. Finally, EVE is moving away from text and towards lots of icons which make it even more difficult for visually impaired people to play.

Instead of fixing these problems CCP has been adding additional graphical updates such as the new missile effects, as if they do not consider accessibility to be a priority. This begs a very simple question: CCP, why u no like blind people?

Discuss.


YOU are "begging the question" in basing your premise on the assumption CCP "no like blind people".
****.
Don't use "begs the question"in to mean "raises the question".
http://begthequestion.info/
It's not that hard.
/unrelated rant

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-05-07 21:32:57 UTC
CCP needs to add color to EVE for the color blind.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#37 - 2012-05-07 21:33:36 UTC
OMG
Blind people have difficulty playing video games?

You heard it here first, on another amazing and not a waste of time at all thread by masternerdguy

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Josef Djugashvilis
#38 - 2012-05-07 21:39:00 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Why can't dead people play this game


We do.

This is not a signature.
Skogen Gump
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-05-07 21:39:27 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Well, space is dark no?

Isn't a Braille display risky with all this ganking going on?


Makes me wonder what the star map is actually saying?

Eve has limited options for visually impaired people? can't see the problem myself.
Loike
Pyramid Celestial
#40 - 2012-05-07 21:43:01 UTC
Would it hurt CCP to try? Small changes like font size etc can't be that difficult. Op wouldn't have anything to complain if they actually went to the effort to make it look liked the cared. I have heard stories where CCP has in fact been pretty ignorant about the whole thing.