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What sort of money are people making with PI?
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Ibrihm Esenhorn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-05-02 03:46:38 UTC
I'm *grossing* about 5 million ISK a day in a setup making a P3 product over 4 planets in a lowsec system but the profit is getting eaten up through taxes and fees.


I guess its not a bad income for the 15 minutes a day that it takes to tend the setup but I can make that in less than 4 hours of L2 mission running.

So, is anyone making real money in a single person IP setup?
Propotkin
Rise Of Exiles
Shadow Ultimatum
#2 - 2012-05-02 08:07:51 UTC
I make aprox 12-15 mil per day using one character but i'm in a WH so . . .

But that 12-15 mil would be alot more if i wasn't so lazy.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#3 - 2012-05-02 08:11:01 UTC
About tree fiddy.
Banjo String
Steel Winters Stellar Enterprises
#4 - 2012-05-02 11:09:50 UTC
55mil+ / week in highsec on one char w/5 planets.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2012-05-02 13:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
A pathetic amount. Since the Nerf. Low Sec POCO's are nothing but yet another Goon ISK Printing Machine.

Make the correct PI ingedients , and get the Ice Products, and turn in into Fuel Blocks = WIN Big smile

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KevLor I
Zephyr Corp
#6 - 2012-05-02 15:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: KevLor I
With two toons in a wh, each making a P3 (one robotics and one smartfabs), I theoretically gross about 28 mil per day (or 14 mil per toon, if I average them) on five planets. I probably run about 80% efficient, though, so closer to 22 or 23 mil per day. Each has a sixth planet, as well, that strictly makes a specific POS fuel PI - one makes O2, the other coolant - and I haven't really spent any time trying to figure out how much those are worth....

The absence of taxes is a huge helper.....
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-02 16:38:11 UTC
I ran some numbers on a Robotics installation recently (five planets, four raw and one factory) and it came to about 32% tax rate overall given sell prices in Dodixie. You need to decide if 32% taxes are acceptable given the time put into it. I'd imagine that rate goes up slightly for higher-end Products, but my tests only included Robotics.
Ibrihm Esenhorn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-05-02 16:46:40 UTC
Thanks for the responses - I now have an idea of what to be aiming for now.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-02 22:58:30 UTC
Before I relocated my PI from Jita to Rens, I was grossing post-tax about 13mil/day in high sec. Once I include the sell value of the P1 materials that I got from buy orders, it was more like 5mil/day. At least the P2 sold much faster than the P1.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-05-03 13:40:03 UTC
I have stopped almost entirely selling my products and instead produce goods that I use for POS fueling and manufacturing. Saves some time and gives me the warm bubbly feeling that I am getting stuff on the cheap in the "I mined it so its free" mindset.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-05-03 16:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Ibrihm Esenhorn wrote:
I'm *grossing* about 5 million ISK a day in a setup making a P3 product over 4 planets in a lowsec system but the profit is getting eaten up through taxes and fees.


I guess its not a bad income for the 15 minutes a day that it takes to tend the setup but I can make that in less than 4 hours of L2 mission running.

So, is anyone making real money in a single person IP setup?




hardly seems worth it for such a meager amount on a p3. I don't sell any more either.. all my PI is not making pos fuel for my alliance.

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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#12 - 2012-05-03 17:26:51 UTC

My (Jita) Planetary Production Profitability Spreadsheet should give you a decent insight into this market.

Very few PI items are profitable, too many are prepared to flood the market with materials they produce themselves valued as free .
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-05-03 17:50:01 UTC
i wanted to start another account, plan was to pay for it via plex farmed via PI and get a nice semi-passive income for my other accounts

turned out the semi-passive income was about 60m after paying for the plex

wont subscribe the account again
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-03 19:26:51 UTC
My setup involves 5 plasma planets setup to make P3 goods without the need of importing/exporting, other than exporting the final p3 product off planet. Its setup in a lazy mans fashion (close proximity to one another and area I frequent) so the weekly yield isn't fantastic, but I spend at most 20 minutes a week managing them, and collect once every 5 - 8 weeks.

Basically each planet is setup to make 2 P2 items for 2 days (12 hour cycles), with 1 day extra to make up any difference on needed materials. Then on the weekends I run the t3 goods Generally this comes out to around 7.5m - 12m isk per week per planet (around 6m after tax, and costs with moving extractors around). So roughly 4.3m isk per day (860k per planet), 30m isk per week (6m per planet), 120m isk per month (24m per planet), after taxes, costs, etc.

So for only a few minutes of work (something to do while warping around) around 120m isk per month.

If you want profit over ease of managing (setup, time, transport,etc) you gotta get to null or w space. I was making at least 5x what I am making now when I was setup in null, and a corp mate doing a simular setup in a wh is stupid profitable.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-04 18:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
2 alts trained specifically for this purpose about to be biomass, far too much people doing it, far too much selling at ridiculous prices bringing the ratio time spent/benefit lower than run some missions (2 null sec missions brings higher benefit for the time spent, rating too)

@ poster above: 20min rating in null sec with a powerful and fast setup you just made about 25/35M killing regular rats, with some chance and a faction spawn you can add about 4 to 8M bounty (or +) + faction stuff with luck or faction ammo.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#16 - 2012-05-04 18:56:46 UTC
High sec is barely worth the time investment, though rocket fuel was a good source of ISK liquidity in my first month before I had enough capital to play the markets properly.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-05 16:03:33 UTC
What sort of money are people making with PI?

ISK
Boomhaur
#18 - 2012-05-05 18:29:36 UTC
Don't know 20-30mil in high sec, not quite sure I setup the planets and reset it when I remember. Takes mabey 15min a month worth of my time. Better than nothing I guess, should probably move it towards low sec or something and I make a lot more.

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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#19 - 2012-05-05 21:13:16 UTC
Ibrihm Esenhorn wrote:


So, is anyone making real money in a single person IP setup?



If I run my PI at full capacity it makes about 100mil a day and takes about 45 min to do it.

LordBucifal
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#20 - 2012-05-07 20:36:05 UTC
simple you put the q above exatly the oposite...how much isk do you want. 3 bils ok / 30 days= 100 mils /day /24 = 4.16 mils per h.
oK lets see robotics selling at 55 000 per item 75 items / h . so this is how much you need to produce...ok lets see what is this in terms of Pi. First your poco for sure...just tu be competitive...this is 900 mils of tax / month for sure. ok next i have for example 2 mains 4 alts...and if need be a 21+30 days mixer...so on the 2 mains i do a trick called the double extractor...so i put 20 heads and 4 storages...this is exported and mixed by a dedicatede p1 mixer...but this way i got like 12 planets worht of extractor from one char...but this is with 5 5 5 5 4(remote sensing) skils.
so now lets see how to obtain 75 items per h.
75 /3 25 advance ind ...not posible u need as well some lanch pad...so i got 24 advance industry. plus 3 lanh pad....so 24 adv indusry is fuled by 48 adv ind mechanica part and 48 CE. /h we are talking. so 48 MP = 96 basic industry for each of the 4 inputs ...that is = to 3840 pretious metal, chiral struct, toxic metal, and reactive metal. /h 23 040 000 raw p0 per to get this amout.

i might get lost in calculus but my max robo per month is 36 k of it. so i moved to p4 lets see if this is less hassle to move:)
cos p3 is a pain in the but to get out.
ok hope i shead my light on the matter.