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Pod Pilots ensuring Safety of the Crews

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Bauloe
FBN 4893
#1 - 2012-05-06 19:45:14 UTC
I am concerned about the Podpilots disconnect with the risk of the crews they hire or enslave for their ships

for Pod pilots who wish to guarentee the safety of their crew what can they do?

If they can not protect their crew's death, can they insure the support of their families financially from the loss of their primary income earner?
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#2 - 2012-05-06 19:54:40 UTC
Bauloe wrote:
I am concerned about the Podpilots disconnect with the risk of the crews they hire or enslave for their ships


Do you really think people who would enslave their crew would care at all about the safety of the crew?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-06 19:57:34 UTC
Well, the main thing I do to protect the crew of my ships is avoid getting my ship blown up.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#4 - 2012-05-06 20:05:02 UTC
Bauloe wrote:
I am concerned about the Podpilots disconnect with the risk of the crews they hire or enslave for their ships

for Pod pilots who wish to guarentee the safety of their crew what can they do?

If they can not protect their crew's death, can they insure the support of their families financially from the loss of their primary income earner?


I put a lot of work into the education of my crew into escape procedures and try to keep them in stasis-escape pods as much as possible when combat is likely. I try to keep a minimal crew, however there's the paradoxical risk in this is with few people available to get a job done or manage escape procedures, they're at a greater risk for becoming trapped and die.

I've studied and drawn from Duvolle's and Boundless Creation's research into this. I've learned a few important things. Dedicated safety coordinators can increase survival by more than twenty percent at a slight loss of performance-per-body. Calling for evacuation as soon as I realize I'm losing has more than doubled survival rates. Paying third-parties for S&R can be potentially less expensive than hiring and training new (or buying out already-trained) crew.

Picking your battles is probably the best way to protect your crew of all. Don't waste them, they are people who are depending on you to make smart decisions.
Bauloe
FBN 4893
#5 - 2012-05-06 20:08:21 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Bauloe wrote:
I am concerned about the Podpilots disconnect with the risk of the crews they hire or enslave for their ships


Do you really think people who would enslave their crew would care at all about the safety of the crew?


Enslavement actually can have two levels there is typical Crack the whip and beat them with a stick slave where they are nothing but assets, or less than assets.

On the other hand some Amarr Masters, Treat them as their children. Making sure they are healthy and conform as apart of the family. They may not gain repsonibility of more than a Child, they are treated fairly
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#6 - 2012-05-06 20:18:52 UTC
Bauloe wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Bauloe wrote:
I am concerned about the Podpilots disconnect with the risk of the crews they hire or enslave for their ships


Do you really think people who would enslave their crew would care at all about the safety of the crew?


Enslavement actually can have two levels there is typical Crack the whip and beat them with a stick slave where they are nothing but assets, or less than assets.

On the other hand some Amarr Masters, Treat them as their children. Making sure they are healthy and conform as apart of the family. They may not gain repsonibility of more than a Child, they are treated fairly


Despite or perhaps because of the fact I served for a time in the Amarr Militia I have come to have an understanding that the when the Empire claims to be helping with the enslavement of the Minmatar crews they are in fact full of excrement when making such statements.

Death is no salvation, there is no death in Nation, but in the empire all that can be had are empty promises of an afterlife.The way I see it nowadays, Holders are but common criminals.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#7 - 2012-05-07 15:16:14 UTC
Here are some things you can do to make sure your crews are protected as much as possible.

1) Run regular drills for evacuation. Every ship has the potential to explode, and your crew needs to know how to get out. Sometimes, unfortunately, your ship will explode very suddenly, and so...

2) Run strong tanks. The longer it takes for the enemy to blow up your ship, the greater the chance your crew has to escape when it becomes clear that there is no chance to survive.

3) Cloning. The True Slave Foundations has technology and a mindset that allows us to make particularly strong use of cloning technology, and the Reawakening process. However, even non-Foundations capsuleers can provide clones to their crew. Sadly, with the limits of soft cloning, these crew will not have any memories they would have gained since their last backup, and the large number of crew on some vessels coupled with the prohibitive cost of current cloning technology makes this option unavailable or undesireable to many.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-07 15:57:56 UTC
Even the pittance we dispense to the lowliest free crew members can make them far wealthier than they could ever achieve conducting some less-risker planetside drudgery. They know the risks.

The small isk insurance payouts to dead crewmember families (those that merit such considerations of course ) that many capusleers pay is enough to leave their families living comfortably for the rest of their lives.

These matters should be beneath your concern however. HIre some baseliner assistants to handle this sort of thing, yes?

Sabik now, Sabik forever

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#9 - 2012-05-07 16:14:47 UTC
Federation designed vessels, also tend to use lots of automation leading to fewer crews required. Also, since I personally make a fair bit of isk off of creodron designs I have a secondary reason to advocate Gallente hulls.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-07 16:19:11 UTC
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned with their precious snowflakes to pursue a career in mining, manufacturing, or hauling items around for their betters.





Sabik now, Sabik forever

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#11 - 2012-05-07 16:24:55 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned with their precious snowflakes to pursue a career in mining, manufacturing, or hauling items around for their betters.


None of these are really safer, and the ships explode much faster than would a combat vessel of the same size.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-07 16:27:49 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned with their precious snowflakes to pursue a career in mining, manufacturing, or hauling items around for their betters.


None of these are really safer, and the ships explode much faster than would a combat vessel of the same size.


How is manufacturing not safer?

Most capsuleer miners stay in Empire and are rarely threatened.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2012-05-07 16:35:31 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned
What makes you think people here are "overly" concerned?
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-07 16:41:22 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned
What makes you think people here are "overly" concerned?


As we are nearly all mass-murderers I find more than a rudimentary concern for such things ironic to the highest degree.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#15 - 2012-05-07 16:44:38 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned with their precious snowflakes to pursue a career in mining, manufacturing, or hauling items around for their betters.


None of these are really safer, and the ships explode much faster than would a combat vessel of the same size.


How is manufacturing not safer?

Most capsuleer miners stay in Empire and are rarely threatened.



The manufacturing process is safer. The shipping of those items, or the collection of raw materials, however, is not. Some capsuleers seem to delight in the destruction of these vessels even when there is no profit in it, or when the ship is not a military target.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-05-07 16:46:56 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned with their precious snowflakes to pursue a career in mining, manufacturing, or hauling items around for their betters.


None of these are really safer, and the ships explode much faster than would a combat vessel of the same size.


How is manufacturing not safer?

Most capsuleer miners stay in Empire and are rarely threatened.



The manufacturing process is safer. The shipping of those items, or the collection of raw materials, however, is not. Some capsuleers seem to delight in the destruction of these vessels even when there is no profit in it, or when the ship is not a military target.


Usually on an annual basis for that ridiculous publicity stunt, yes.... I get your meaning but I still it feel far, far safer.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#17 - 2012-05-07 16:48:35 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd also add for those capsuleers that are overly concerned with their precious snowflakes to pursue a career in mining, manufacturing, or hauling items around for their betters.


None of these are really safer, and the ships explode much faster than would a combat vessel of the same size.


How is manufacturing not safer?

Most capsuleer miners stay in Empire and are rarely threatened.



I have only destroyed one mining barge in lowsec, yet between me and associates quite a few in highsec. Since i also help with industrial concerns of UMKFC, I can also add that our mining and manufacturing operations in nullsec and wormhole space have suffered the least capsuleer related attack. Our deployment of starbases while temporary in nature has also yielded the same results.

As counter intuitive as it may seem, low or nullsec is generally much safer for miners, as it is reasonable to stay at a starbase or station in the event other capsuleers are present however, in highsec population issues prevent this, making an easy target. This alone has changed Fan Club doctrine to use only t1 fit retrivers, battleships, and reprocessing to get minerals outside of stain or lowsec metropolis.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-07 16:59:12 UTC
Interesting! It appears I'm quite 'out of the loop' on mining these days. Although I do quite like the idea of high-sec miners cowering in fear on a regular basis.

Thank you for your illuminating comments, both of you.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#19 - 2012-05-08 11:38:51 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Here are some things you can do to make sure your crews are protected as much as possible.

1) Run regular drills for evacuation. Every ship has the potential to explode, and your crew needs to know how to get out. Sometimes, unfortunately, your ship will explode very suddenly, and so...

2) Run strong tanks. The longer it takes for the enemy to blow up your ship, the greater the chance your crew has to escape when it becomes clear that there is no chance to survive.

3) Cloning. The True Slave Foundations has technology and a mindset that allows us to make particularly strong use of cloning technology, and the Reawakening process. However, even non-Foundations capsuleers can provide clones to their crew. Sadly, with the limits of soft cloning, these crew will not have any memories they would have gained since their last backup, and the large number of crew on some vessels coupled with the prohibitive cost of current cloning technology makes this option unavailable or undesireable to many.


Good observations. I have authority to hire and train all of my crews, as well.
On my vessels every crewman is required to undergo a training course as well as regular drills, should they fail in either or have their performance degrade then they will be taken under consideration for dismissal from my service.
Among these:

1. Fire: Every crewman is instructed in firefighting in case it becomes necessary to save the ship from an imminent conflagration.

2. Vac suit operation: a given, in case they have to evacuate the ship by that method, or be in a situation that calls for vacuum conditions. Training is in use, maneuvering, and patch use to repair quickly.

3. Damage Control

4. Redundancy: every crewman is expected to know his/her job and that of their mate – as casualties from combat, other circumstances, or accidents can cause serious manpower problems. This is not such a problem on a Gallente ship due to its automation, but they are trained in this nonetheless.

I have taken part in these drills with my crewmen, as well, to the best of my limited ability to do so in person. My vessels are working ships, and as its commanding officer and capsuleer I do not ask that of my crewmen what I would not undertake myself.
There is also often a security detail aboard many of my vessels, when force of arms is needed onboard (for whatever reason.) Often the weapons that are employed are flechette-firing shotguns and low-velocity, heavy-caliber slugthrowers.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2012-05-08 11:49:35 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
As we are nearly all mass-murderers I find more than a rudimentary concern for such things ironic to the highest degree.
You are an incredibly hard person! It's so impressive how cool you are! Your fans will love you for it!


On the topic of this thread, all my crew members are volunteers, they all know the risks, I ensure safety procedures like escape pods being in excellent condition. I also am utilizing a condolence service that sends condolence letters to families in case of ship loss, and transfers wages earned that way as well.

The most effective method to increase crew safety I found, though, is to avoid "fun" or "suicide" engagements in anything but frigates. Easier for me, as I fight for a purpose. People who fight for no purpose will find this very difficult.
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