Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In order to have more people joining in on the fun of pvp some risks need to be removed.

When it comes to the fear of being podded, this is always due to attribute implants.
When I've pvp'd with my implanted clone I have never once worried about the amount of money in my head, but rather the amount of training I would lose in the event of a podding.


If we wish to make pvp a bit more popular then we have to do something to take away some risks.

I feel that attribute implants is the perfect place to look.

Those noobs and even those older players might actually be willing to come out a play at least in a frig.

A lot of players feel that in training faster you're not only making yourself valuable sooner in order to join or be more efficient for your corp, but you're also getting deeper into the game so that you are able to enjoy it more.

Look at it this way. As a noob you have nothing going for you. You suck at everything and what you are able to do takes so long and is so inefficient that it's a bit diffult to actually enjoy, hence why so many player quit before they get deep into the game.

Now, the players that do stick it out and are able to somewhat enjoy that low edge of the game are focused on trying to get somewhere faster so that they can enjoy the game more and have money to waist on ships getting blown up.

For most noobs their main focus is going to be getting into something where you can have the highest possible profit margin in the fastest amount of time and with the least amount of training so that you can press out the isk to be able to afford those attribute implants which will be used to train towards combat focus at a much faster rate.

In order to get to this point the fastest isk earning aspect of Eve to train for where you'll have the highest potential profit margin in the shortest amount of training is going to be mining.
However, if noobs had +5 from the begining and didn't have to worry about getting those implants for faster training, thus then having to worry about losing those implants, then not only would they be able to train more focused on combat from the start, but players who know Eve and dish out advice will no longer suggest mining as the quickest way to get into Eve and make isk, but will be expressing to noobs the different ways of making isk and the different paths to train for such as amarr, or caldari, or mining, leaving more room for the players to actually start enjoying which ever aspect of the game they would prefer instead of feeling like they're being forced into mining in order to get to anything else.

No you dont and you wont by taking away the major reason that null bears are whining in this thread to try to get implants changed. Those who DONT PvP wont even if you remove the implants and then of course the ONLY people that will benefit are the null secers that get podded frequently. Again your arguing to cater to the null bear whine....as per usual in this game.

You think that dramatically by changing the game to suit you your going to push your pseudo BS line about how its beneficial for the noob which it isnt. A noob is still pathetically challenged in ANY PvP situation just because hes a noob. Implants are NOT a major factor. I see the skill point barriers that many corps and alliances impose as being more of a factor than anything in their heads. Or the fact that instant gratification and I wants it now mentality of the majority of people is to blame. Eve is a game of months and years not minutes or days. Training skill times dictate that, nothing else. Either you wait and learn or you dont.

Noone when they get into this game wants to lose. I remember getting WTFPWNed by m0o in mara in my lil condor way back in the day. They were older, better and better trained I was a noob and therefore I sucked. There was nothing I could do. That is Eve, it is cold, brutal, dark and harsh. Its why Im still here I love that environment. By taking that away your removing the risk that having implants IS for the game. You want something faster? RISK something!! You want your cake and to eat it to. Thats horse **** plain and simple.

You want to PvP and say that by removing YOUR risk youll make it better for ALL the lil nooblets coming into the game cuz its SOO expensive. Teach them! Educate them ALL! Make it mandatory to have jump clones and to USE them. 24 hours isnt a huge amount of time to spend in a dif clone and its certainly not a huge learning loss. Now for those of you that do nothign but PvP and are whining here.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You get NO sympathy. Youll go WTFPWN some mack or hulk in a belt and laugh at their tears easy enough but YOU lose your precious training time? WHIIIIIIINE!!!


You all got more whine than a vineyard!!

If only there was a place in EVE, an expanse of space, fit for learning all the ups and downs of life in New Eden. A magical place where new players could learn in a low risk environment, protected by an elite police force to help prevent a bad experience, and at the very least avenge the criminals that still manage to destroy your things.

Oh wait it's called hisec. Where i spent my first 6 months and if I recall (not hard since i've only been playing for 9 months) is this safe, low risk learning environment for new players that you sujest. Cool thing about hisec is that unless your a) in your pod or b) a war target, chances of losing your pod are extremely slim, and learning implants are great for young characters when taking hours off of training times is really important. Furthermore there's plenty of places to learn pvp in hisec (Euni for example). So keep learning implants unless there is a plan to remove hisec.

You seem to have this thought in your head that high sec is actually safe. Sure, the odds of losing a pod outside of a wardec are quite slim, however, through things like hulkageddon (which now involves pretty much any ship being used for industrial purposes), burn jita, gallente ice capades and the everyday anti care bearing movement that seems to be going on, noobs are at much higher risk of being ganked because they don't have the skills, knowledge, or isk to be able to counter ganking. So, every time they start building up isk to get those attribute implants, they get ganked and instead have to spend that isk on a new ship.



Apparently you either
a) have a wealthy pocket book out of game
b) have some very generous friends
c) Bought a caracter in some way
d) you're not a noob, this is just your newest character to which you wish to try and pull the wool over our eyes with

(least likely)e) you have such a firm understanding of Eve that you were able to make the isk for +5 implants in no time

(most likely)f) you macro mined your @ss off to get those implants really quickly

I say this because those of us that ACTUALLY remember being a noob also remember that we probably didn't make enough in the first year to buy 600mil worth of implants considering all the money we had to spend on better ships just to be able to be more profitable.

So, you're either lieing about being a noob and have been playing long enough to forget that you don't make crap for isk as a noob, or you have used one of the other suggested methods I listed in order to quickly earn isk.

I'm pretty sure that the average noob will not have enough isk in 9 months to afford +5 attribute implants. Hell, most noobs will be lucky to still be flying a hulk 9 months into gameplay because odds are they'll have already been ganked by then, if they've even been able to afford a hulk by then.

I don't know how, but you seem to have this thought in your head that noobs can afford implants on their own as soon as they come into the game. Dude, most noobs don't even know about attribute implants till a good while after they've been playing.

Oh we get your point we just give a **** about it. Implants are fine and if you can't afford them well thats just too damn bad. Looks like you get to train slower, a well deserved fate for the mentally inferior.

Using exactly the same quote, I would say "reduce the timer" :P

Apparently you didn't read much of the thread. WE established that the +5 would be placed on the players without the need of an implant.

Now, as far as not needing them...Are you mentally handicapped? Like i've already stated, the differents between implants and no implants is over a month out of a year worth of SP.

Except with attribute implants you're essentially allowing those with wealthy pocket books out of game to essentially buy SP.
Last time I checked most players were against buy SP.

Now, as far as expensive and more loss crap. This is a statement meant only for the players who risk their pods.
Most players in high sec rarely risk their pods even during a corp war, so you're basically punishing those who risk their pods with either lower training times, or higher risks.

Removing attribute implants means a more balanced risk vs reward system so that no one has to worry about training times because we'd all be the same.

The best suggestion I've heard to counter this is to keep the implant slots and allow the hardwire implants to be cross fitted into these slots, so...

1 and 6 share implants
2-7
3-8
4-9
5-10

However, the limitations on this would be that you can't fit 2 implants effecting the same skill in the coordinating slots.

This would be useful in several ways.

Those who wish to apply more risk will get more combat effectiveness
Those who wish to use a single clone for several tasks, such as mining and missioning would be able to.
They could cross fit for pvp and pve.
It helps those who fly several different class ships at different times.

This would also allow for a much more broad market when it comes to hardwire implants because i'm sure there are some out there that while being helpful implants aren't used because there is something much more direct available, such as slot 6 having both a cpu implant and a torpedo implant that could both be very helpful to a stealth bomber pilot, and if he's willing to risk those implants then he'll receive more bonuses effecting combat capability.