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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-05-07 13:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

oh look it has 21k ehp against blasters

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#62 - 2012-05-07 13:09:40 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I know the best tank for a hulk, it can even survive 200 tornados.

Its called a warp drive.


And here we go again...

Hulk has worse align time than triple plated trimarked Abaddon.


I think he was talking about actively aligning. It's been discussed before.

Adapt or Die
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#63 - 2012-05-07 13:11:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I know the best tank for a hulk, it can even survive 200 tornados.

Its called a warp drive.


And here we go again...

Hulk has worse align time than triple plated trimarked Abaddon.

Thats fine, as long as you plan ahead you would only be at risk... never.


Insta for the station.
Warp to belt.
Immediately align to your first pre set up off grid BM.

Bam!! Invulnerable to nados.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#64 - 2012-05-07 13:11:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

oh look it has 21k ehp against blasters


Wow, posts are coming in fast.

BTW, I would not endorse this fit as a suitable fit against ganks. You can do better than that and get over 30k EHP if you have someone providing at least basic fleet bonuses.

Adapt or Die
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-05-07 13:24:15 UTC
Romar Agent wrote:

You tank suicide gankers by system and belt selection and probability.

You tank suicide tankers by mixed calculation (x times high yield - n lost ships > x+n times low yield).

Mining is a business.

Businesses are ran by numbers, not by hurt feelings, killmails or epeen.


That's a legit approach. But the type of person that considers lost hulks a simple business expense and not a violation of their inalienable right to mine while afk probably doesn't complain about hulkageddon.
Unit757
North Point
#66 - 2012-05-07 13:25:04 UTC
[Hulk, Buffer Hulk]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Needs both those implants everyone got for free, or whatever else increases CPU and power.

Don't know why miners care about yield, can't do much mining if your dead Roll

Don't mine afk, and play the damn game, and you'll escape most unorganized ganks. You'll never do to well against an organized one, if they want to kill you, your going to die.


Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-05-07 13:30:23 UTC
Andski wrote:
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II



I smack your MAPC II straight to Fire Island.

Yield sacrificed for tiny pathetic little limp mod. Miss Thing what ARE you ever thinking.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-05-07 16:23:35 UTC
So next time you miners cry about hulkageddon and I tell you to fit a tank you're going to tell me it doesn't work. Then I'm going to remind you how I offered to pay you to show me an example of it failing to work and you couldn't. You'll never have the right to cry about gankers again.
Alicia Fermi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-05-07 16:28:55 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Don't know why miners care about yield, can't do much mining if your dead Roll

The miner should be able to estimate how often they lose a ship. Should the reduction in yield by fitting a tank on all ships lead to more ISK lost than it would cost to replace untanked ships then fitting a tank is not worthwhile.
Iamien
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-05-07 16:38:24 UTC
Alicia Fermi wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Don't know why miners care about yield, can't do much mining if your dead Roll

The miner should be able to estimate how often they lose a ship. Should the reduction in yield by fitting a tank on all ships lead to more ISK lost than it would cost to replace untanked ships then fitting a tank is not worthwhile.



Because each individual miner has enough data-points to make a reasonable estimate on that front.
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-05-07 16:47:15 UTC
Takseen wrote:
That's a legit approach. But the type of person that considers lost hulks a simple business expense and not a violation of their inalienable right to mine while afk probably doesn't complain about hulkageddon.

You are right in that aspect... o7
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-05-31 09:07:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
31.5k EHP overheated towards blasters, still got a MLU II. Can even fit 2 MLUs and still got 23.7k EHP towards blasters...

[Hulk, Tank + Yield]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Gist B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist C-Type EM Ward Field
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Riyal
invidious Squid
#73 - 2012-05-31 09:30:46 UTC
I will gladly match the original offer, API verified of course.

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh
Mr Care Bear
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-05-31 09:34:24 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
So next time you miners cry about hulkageddon and I tell you to fit a tank you're going to tell me it doesn't work. Then I'm going to remind you how I offered to pay you to show me an example of it failing to work and you couldn't. You'll never have the right to cry about gankers again.


These guys have a point, haven't seen any kill mails posted for a Hulk or Orca with a decent tank. Idea
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#75 - 2012-05-31 09:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I know the best tank for a hulk, it can even survive 200 tornados.

Its called a warp drive.


And here we go again...

Hulk has worse align time than triple plated trimarked Abaddon.


aligned means moving toward a bookmark/planet/station and at a speed of 85% of you max speed, if you are watching your D scan and overview you will never be caught in high sec.

so DO YOU GET IT,,, sitting still causes death ! follow above advice.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-05-31 10:02:49 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
aligned means moving toward a bookmark/planet/station and at a speed of 85% of you max speed, if you are watching your D scan and overview you will never be caught in high sec.

so DO YOU GET IT,,, sitting still causes death ! follow above advice.


Do you know what happens to strip miners when you get out of optimal range? Not very efficient way to mine.

Let's assume miner is boosted by max skilled Orca pilot without mindlink.

Range of strip miner is 22 km.
Hulk's max velocity is 87,50 m/s. You will need 65,625 m/s to warp instantly.
And here we get to fact that you run out of strip miners range in 5,66 minutes.
Orca is way slower than that, so it can't keep up with miners. You need to be withing 2500 m of Orca if you want to use corp hangar.
Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-05-31 11:04:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Range of strip miner is 22 km.
Hulk's max velocity is 87,50 m/s. You will need 65,625 m/s to warp instantly.
And here we get to fact that you run out of strip miners range in 5,66 minutes.
Orca is way slower than that, so it can't keep up with miners. You need to be withing 2500 m of Orca if you want to use corp hangar.


I haven't tried it but I saw in another thread about two hulks that webify each other. Wouldn't that work with a hulk and orca as well? I mean the orca using a webifier.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2012-05-31 11:12:02 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I know the best tank for a hulk, it can even survive 200 tornados.

Its called a warp drive.


And here we go again...

Hulk has worse align time than triple plated trimarked Abaddon.


aligned means moving toward a bookmark/planet/station and at a speed of 85% of you max speed, if you are watching your D scan and overview you will never be caught in high sec.

so DO YOU GET IT,,, sitting still causes death ! follow above advice.


Think it is actually 75% ?

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#79 - 2012-05-31 11:39:42 UTC
Sarton Wells wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Range of strip miner is 22 km.
Hulk's max velocity is 87,50 m/s. You will need 65,625 m/s to warp instantly.
And here we get to fact that you run out of strip miners range in 5,66 minutes.
Orca is way slower than that, so it can't keep up with miners. You need to be withing 2500 m of Orca if you want to use corp hangar.


I haven't tried it but I saw in another thread about two hulks that webify each other. Wouldn't that work with a hulk and orca as well? I mean the orca using a webifier.


Probably wouldn't work so great in hi-sec. Lol

So close...
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-05-31 11:39:57 UTC
Sarton Wells wrote:
I haven't tried it but I saw in another thread about two hulks that webify each other. Wouldn't that work with a hulk and orca as well? I mean the orca using a webifier.


- Hulk is shield tanker
- Web requires medium power slot

See where this is going?