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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#441 - 2012-05-06 17:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
ITT people doing the ganking are giving advice on how to tank your Hulk so that they can't gank you, the people being ganked are still whining because actually fitting a tank and paying attention screws with their max yield.

Newsflash

It's HULKAGEDDON, don't whine like little pansies when you get ganked in an untanked (well may as well be from some of the fits I've seen dying) hulk when you ignore the advice given by the predators in this scenario on how to minimise the risks.

It's a miners choice to mine in untanked/ poorly tanked ships, it's a PVPers wet dream when those miners explode and shed tears.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#442 - 2012-05-06 17:33:39 UTC
CCP could stop botting miners by changing the way mining is done and make it more interactive, they won't, they won't because then all those people that do bot, especially the botters for the large corps would stop playing. They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it. CCP says that they give players the means to play the game as they like, yet they really don't.

If they did hulks would have a better tank and require a couple of BS's to take it down - in a gank situation. Risk vs reward. When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.

Nobody is saying totally remove the ability to take out a hulk, but at least make it harder for people to grief. It is griefing. Plan and simple. This has nothing to do with botters. It has everything to do with people that just love to mess with other players.

Sure EVE is a cold hearted ***** at times, but is shouldn't be that way 24/7.

I am not advocating less violence. I am advocating that the game be balanced. You want to gank that miner it should a risk. It should cost. And it should be somewhat difficult. As it stands now, it doesn't take much to pop a barge. All it takes is an alt with enough skill points and 2 mil isk. You can do it less than week. It is a throw away character. Where is the balance for risk vs reward in that. There is none.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#443 - 2012-05-06 17:34:36 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it


yeah they totally didn't permaban a bunch of dudes last month

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Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#444 - 2012-05-06 17:37:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it


yeah they totally didn't permaban a bunch of dudes last month


They do that once in a blue ******* moon to appease the masses when things start getting out of control and people are bitching about botters. It'll be another year or two before they do it again.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#445 - 2012-05-06 17:50:22 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
CCP could stop botting miners by changing the way mining is done and make it more interactive, they won't, they won't because then all those people that do bot, especially the botters for the large corps would stop playing. They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it. CCP says that they give players the means to play the game as they like, yet they really don't.

If they did hulks would have a better tank and require a couple of BS's to take it down - in a gank situation. Risk vs reward. When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.

Nobody is saying totally remove the ability to take out a hulk, but at least make it harder for people to grief. It is griefing. Plan and simple. This has nothing to do with botters. It has everything to do with people that just love to mess with other players.

Sure EVE is a cold hearted ***** at times, but is shouldn't be that way 24/7.

I am not advocating less violence. I am advocating that the game be balanced. You want to gank that miner it should a risk. It should cost. And it should be somewhat difficult. As it stands now, it doesn't take much to pop a barge. All it takes is an alt with enough skill points and 2 mil isk. You can do it less than week. It is a throw away character. Where is the balance for risk vs reward in that. There is none.


So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#446 - 2012-05-06 17:52:19 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:


So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.


Nope, not interested thanks for asking tho
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#447 - 2012-05-06 17:53:20 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.


There is no such thing as an ISK tank in this game. There is also no reason why that 300M Hulk needs to die to a lone Catalyst unless it's untanked - which they usually are.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#448 - 2012-05-06 17:57:07 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.

Nope, not interested thanks for asking tho

Oh well, continue whining on the forums then. That'll show us!

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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#449 - 2012-05-06 17:58:43 UTC
OP is right on the money. Miners are the tools of the game. When some PVP player loses an expensive ship, he turns to banking to repair his kill board. Nothing is risked. The loss of the ship is certain, of course, but the salvage is of greater value, and there is no loss recorded for his kill board. Killing the mining barge of a real player is worth the ship loss and add to the pilots badass image. There are even minutes of the CSM where this is discussed as one justification for leaving mining in the game, so that there are always sitting ducks to shoot.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#450 - 2012-05-06 18:00:09 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
OP is right on the money. Miners are the tools of the game. When some PVP player loses an expensive ship, he turns to banking to repair his kill board. Nothing is risked. The loss of the ship is certain, of course, but the salvage is of greater value, and there is no loss recorded for his kill board. Killing the mining barge of a real player is worth the ship loss and add to the pilots badass image. There are even minutes of the CSM where this is discussed as one justification for leaving mining in the game, so that there are always sitting ducks to shoot.


Did you say that Miners are huge tools?

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#451 - 2012-05-06 18:00:41 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
OP is right on the money. Miners are the tools of the game. When some PVP player loses an expensive ship, he turns to banking to repair his kill board. Nothing is risked. The loss of the ship is certain, of course, but the salvage is of greater value, and there is no loss recorded for his kill board. Killing the mining barge of a real player is worth the ship loss and add to the pilots badass image. There are even minutes of the CSM where this is discussed as one justification for leaving mining in the game, so that there are always sitting ducks to shoot.


Miners, this guy just called you all tools, are you going to take that?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#452 - 2012-05-06 18:04:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Oh well, continue whining on the forums then. That'll show us!


Why would I want to show you?

I think the game is currently great, nothing much to whine about flying round exploring high sec doing a little salvaging it's all good.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#453 - 2012-05-06 18:05:58 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

Miners, this guy just called you all tools, are you going to take that?


People are entitled to their opinions, leave the nice man alone.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#454 - 2012-05-06 18:16:19 UTC
Guys, sometimes when I use this ship in a mission, the rats kill it. I think CCP should reduce the rat damage. Its just not fair.

[Megathron, gankfit]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
100MN Afterburner II

Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
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Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#455 - 2012-05-06 18:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
It is griefing. Plan and simple..


were this true CCP would action them

I was goong to ask what the last time someone was banned for this but then I thought "has ANYONE EVER been banned for this?"

Lapine Davion wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
CCP could stop botting miners by changing the way mining is done and make it more interactive, they won't, they won't because then all those people that do bot, especially the botters for the large corps would stop playing. They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it. CCP says that they give players the means to play the game as they like, yet they really don't.

If they did hulks would have a better tank and require a couple of BS's to take it down - in a gank situation. Risk vs reward. When an alt can train up and fly a ship that cost 2mil and blow up a ship that cost 300mil that is an imbalance.

Nobody is saying totally remove the ability to take out a hulk, but at least make it harder for people to grief. It is griefing. Plan and simple. This has nothing to do with botters. It has everything to do with people that just love to mess with other players.

Sure EVE is a cold hearted ***** at times, but is shouldn't be that way 24/7.

I am not advocating less violence. I am advocating that the game be balanced. You want to gank that miner it should a risk. It should cost. And it should be somewhat difficult. As it stands now, it doesn't take much to pop a barge. All it takes is an alt with enough skill points and 2 mil isk. You can do it less than week. It is a throw away character. Where is the balance for risk vs reward in that. There is none.


So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.


Or better yet and more effectively, take you an all your mining buddies and unsub a while. Its the only thing CCP gives a **** about

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#456 - 2012-05-06 18:20:09 UTC
oops

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#457 - 2012-05-06 18:24:16 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Guys, sometimes when I use this ship in a mission, the rats kill it. I think CCP should reduce the rat damage. Its just not fair.

[Megathron, gankfit]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
100MN Afterburner II

Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L

Large Auxiliary Thrusters I
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I

lolfail. You can easily fit another rig on there...

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Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#458 - 2012-05-06 18:29:05 UTC
People do not play eve because it's a happy, pleasant, rainbow and sunshines place. New Eden is a cold, dark, scary place where a man can make unimaginable wealth if he's willing to put his ass on the line.

Pilots don't feel accomplished overcoming a rock in space. Players play eve because every new ship, every upgraded modules, every single isk is a triumph. Withotu adversity, there is no victory, no reward, and no game.

The only thing between you and the cold void of space is a thin sheet of rolled tungsten and the good will of the guy with the bigger gun, and that is exciting.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#459 - 2012-05-06 18:29:19 UTC
guys I was ratting in an istabbed nyx and I got popped by 3 hurricanes and a bomber this is unfair

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#460 - 2012-05-06 18:47:40 UTC
Xander Riggs wrote:
The only thing between you and the cold void of space is a thin sheet of rolled tungsten and the good will of the guy with the bigger gun, and that is exciting.

You don't like shield tanking, I take it?

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