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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#361 - 2012-05-06 16:00:38 UTC
Polly Oxford wrote:


Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?



I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids.



If you had read.
You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie.



* throws more poop at you.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#362 - 2012-05-06 16:01:44 UTC
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.


so you're going ~puppetmasta~ now



Its not hard to pull the strings of people like you. A half sensible person could make you dance for their amusement with fairly little effort IMO. Easy to read and easy to taunt.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#363 - 2012-05-06 16:02:42 UTC
let me help you out though

you're saying that we macromine lowends in hisec to supply minerals to supercapital builders

we're saying that it's easier to farm ISK

your response is "where would you source the minerals from, HUH?"

the answer: the thousands of hisec pubbies whose sole source of income is mining

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#364 - 2012-05-06 16:02:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Polly Oxford wrote:


Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?



I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids.



If you had read.
You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie.



* throws more poop at you.


It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.

It's a fact that every single one of the supercarriers and titans I built (and I was building 4 supercarriers a month at one point) were being paid for with isk which was going to empire to buy minerals. Not mine them. Isk on the table.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#365 - 2012-05-06 16:02:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks

ahahahaha no

Tech, the new tritanium.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#366 - 2012-05-06 16:03:51 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.

so you're going ~puppetmasta~ now

Its not hard to pull the strings of people like you. A half sensible person could make you dance for their amusement with fairly little effort IMO. Easy to read and easy to taunt.

Yep, he's going for the ~puppetmasta~ defence.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#367 - 2012-05-06 16:05:01 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.


Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#368 - 2012-05-06 16:05:33 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.

so you're going ~puppetmasta~ now

Its not hard to pull the strings of people like you. A half sensible person could make you dance for their amusement with fairly little effort IMO. Easy to read and easy to taunt.

Yep, he's going for the ~puppetmasta~ defence.



I think it was the fling poop retorte tbh. But that's just me.

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Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#369 - 2012-05-06 16:05:34 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids.


People didn't stop mining when mining was a ****** profession; why would they stop now that it's only a bad profession?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#370 - 2012-05-06 16:05:44 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.


Andski wrote:
the answer: the thousands of hisec pubbies whose sole source of income is mining

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#371 - 2012-05-06 16:06:34 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.


Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.


I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#372 - 2012-05-06 16:08:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andski wrote:
let me help you out though

you're saying that we macromine lowends in hisec to supply minerals to supercapital builders

we're saying that it's easier to farm ISK

your response is "where would you source the minerals from, HUH?"

the answer: the thousands of hisec pubbies whose sole source of income is mining



Sigh...
So stupid.


I think maybe my new defense will be based upon yours, I will just pretend to not read anything you write and repeatedly post how my ideas supersede yours. It seems a workable strategy. Blink

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#373 - 2012-05-06 16:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
I'm not reading another rehash of this drivel.

I presume it's been pointed out that:

New players don't fly Hulks.

Hulks, unless they are horrifically set up cannot be ganked by a destroyer.

Freighters and Orcas are not flown by new pilots, and are not ganked by destroyers.

That pretty much covers the more emotional "points" presented by the OP.

As for the rest, this still rings true.

To carve a successful niche for yourself in the EVE universe you need to be able to out sell, and/or out produce, and/or out fight, and/or out run, and/or out wit your competitors.

If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set as the rest of the player base.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#374 - 2012-05-06 16:09:18 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy.

Not the old shuttles, that's for sure...

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#375 - 2012-05-06 16:09:18 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm not reading another rehash of this drivel.


Oh go on, we've put so much love and detail into it.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#376 - 2012-05-06 16:09:38 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.


Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.


I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy.



If you don't know that's fine.
But don't tell the rest of us that we don't know when we know it for a fact. You are not the only one who has built supers.

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Polly Oxford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#377 - 2012-05-06 16:09:46 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Polly Oxford wrote:


Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?



I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids.



If you had read.
You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie.



* throws more poop at you.



I read them, but there are enough people in empire mining to support my t titan,so why should I bother mining trit.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#378 - 2012-05-06 16:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
If you don't know that's fine.
But don't tell the rest of us that we don't know when we know it for a fact. You are not the only one who has built supers.


based on your horrible understanding of supercapital building you've clearly never built supers!

now, do you have any arguments of substance other than "well we know it for a fact"

because you're looking really dumb here

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#379 - 2012-05-06 16:11:44 UTC
empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#380 - 2012-05-06 16:12:19 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.


Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.


I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy.



If you don't know that's fine.
But don't tell the rest of us that we don't know when we know it for a fact. You are not the only one who has built supers.


Well, some evidence would go a long way towards backing up your claims. Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks?