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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#321 - 2012-05-06 15:32:02 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3..


I think he ran empire mission/0.0 anom bots, not mining bots.

Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.


"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT"

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#322 - 2012-05-06 15:32:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Your entire premise here is wrong.


ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.



It is not about the isk
It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.




ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)


okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS

people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire

booooooshhh



Minerals that spontaneously appear yea?
Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense. Roll

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#323 - 2012-05-06 15:33:33 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mods to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.

It all goes back to null sec.
Empire is not to blame for bots, because the reason for all this botting funnels back to people like you.

You can claim that you don't do it, and you can claim that you have no knowledge of it (which TBH is laughable) but to blame empire for botting is ******* stupid, and you know it.


So why do you absolutely deny the idea that these bots are alts of dudes with hisec mains?

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#324 - 2012-05-06 15:33:59 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.


They're not overly fussed, Horus and co running hundreds of bots are just RMT'ing and don't overly care about a few isk here or there per m3..

Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.



We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?

Also, you don't want 0.0 to stop buying ships and minerals from empire. Because it's certainly not mission runners in officer fit golems losing all the ships that you mine for.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#325 - 2012-05-06 15:34:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.

"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT"

Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#326 - 2012-05-06 15:34:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Your entire premise here is wrong.


ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.



It is not about the isk
It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.




ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)


okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS

people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire

booooooshhh



Minerals that spontaneously appear yea?
Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense. Roll


Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions.

It was in the QEN.

Although depending on how successful Hulkageddon is, mining trit in 0.0 and exporting it might be a good earner.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#327 - 2012-05-06 15:35:53 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS

people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire

booooooshhh


Minerals that spontaneously appear yea?
Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense. Roll

Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions.

It was in the QEN.



I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#328 - 2012-05-06 15:37:39 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.


You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.

Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#329 - 2012-05-06 15:37:59 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.


Nobody denies that people bot in nullsec, but the idea of nullsec dudes, who presumably have access to far better income sources, macromining in hisec is absolutely laughable.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#330 - 2012-05-06 15:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS

people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire

booooooshhh


Minerals that spontaneously appear yea?
Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense. Roll

Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions.

It was in the QEN.



I know, and the Russian supercapital fleet all but blotted out the sun. There ofc were no bots in drone space either, or.... those bots were all run by empire dwellers.


That's the worst strawman I've seen in this thread so far, and there have been so many badly constructed strawmen to choose from.

But sure, there were probably plenty of people running bot farms in the drone regions to gun mine. But what they -weren't- doing is running vast high sec mining bot networks.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#331 - 2012-05-06 15:39:07 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?


Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#332 - 2012-05-06 15:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Andski wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.

"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT"

Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...


Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?

Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?


Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it.


Didnt Helicity stop this pretense last Hulkageddon and go with the truth that it was always about tears and never about bots?

Yeah keep with that.

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#333 - 2012-05-06 15:40:43 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Andski wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.

"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT"

Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...


Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?


What's an 'RMT farm' and how can they buy 'non-botted' trit?
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#334 - 2012-05-06 15:42:04 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?


Nothing I don't care in the slightest about it.


So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#335 - 2012-05-06 15:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.


You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.



No one said they are all null sec alts, you made that up.



You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends for ease of access vs time vs yield, and thus cannot stake any claim as to how many of those empire bots were truly empire dwellers, and how many were null sec alts. I am saying that there is no reason to think that all of those bots were people who lived and build in empire, and no sizable portion of them did what they did for nulsec

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#336 - 2012-05-06 15:42:44 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Andski wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.

"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT"

Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...


Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?


What's an 'RMT farm' and how can they buy 'non-botted' trit?


yeah... pretend to be dumb lol

you guys dont "police CCP's game for them" and dont report Goon bots and no botting there? uh huh...

Pull the other one. Theres cake

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#337 - 2012-05-06 15:43:16 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.


You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.

Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour.

11mil per hour mining veldspar or something. Yeah, gonna go for that ~~

(Mine ABC in null, it's more fun).

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#338 - 2012-05-06 15:44:46 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem.


Sure when do they arrive and when are you going to stop being to trolled into a never ending thread by Eternum?
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#339 - 2012-05-06 15:45:43 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
No one said they are all null sec alts, you made that up.


"That is because highsec is where the nullsec bot alts go to pull cosmic **** tons of trit. Oh snap! I put egg on your face.... sorry."


Right here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1254971#post1254971
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#340 - 2012-05-06 15:45:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.


You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.

Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour.

11mil per hour mining veldspar or something. Yeah, gonna go for that ~~

(Mine ABC in null, it's more fun).





Not only ignorant, but also unable to read several posts on the subject. Winning?

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