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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#281 - 2012-05-06 15:04:23 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on.




I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra".





Whelp.
I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is.




Have a nice day... probie Blink

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#282 - 2012-05-06 15:04:56 UTC
oh wait, no, our enemies would only disrupt our supercapital production by interdicting the mining of low-ends, but mining high-ends is not worth the trouble

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#283 - 2012-05-06 15:05:40 UTC
buuuut it'd make more sense for our enemies to disrupt our mining of high-ends, which is restricted to a handful of systems, rather than our mining of low-ends, which is completely unrestricted

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#284 - 2012-05-06 15:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on.




I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra".





Whelp.
I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is.




Have a nice day... probie Blink


Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.

Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#285 - 2012-05-06 15:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andski wrote:
also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case

good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory



You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.



It is far easier to protect a mining op for the amount of time it takes to pull all the high ends you need, then it is to do the same for all the high ends and low ends. It is the difference between mining all day, every day, and doing more normal mining ops with a definitive beginning and an end.



You are still not going to fool anyone.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#286 - 2012-05-06 15:08:23 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.



It is far easier to protect a mining op for the amount of time it takes to pull all the high ends you need, then it is to do the same for all the high ends and low ends. It is the difference between mining all day, every day, and doing more normal mining ops with a definitive beginning and an end.



You are not fooling anyone.


one mining op doesn't provide the high-ends needed for any industrial project of substance

wow i just blew another massive hole in your horrible logic

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#287 - 2012-05-06 15:08:42 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:
also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case

good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory



You require much less time mining high ends, that you need less of, in fleets boosted by rorqs. That factors into the army of empire bots mining low ends, and ultimately you save an incredible amount of hassle and time.



Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#288 - 2012-05-06 15:09:04 UTC
Andski wrote:
The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better.

I've been messing in EFT, and I can't get a hulk tank much above 28/29K (best case @ all V's). Drones won't help at all (with multiple enemies). I didn't try going faction/deadspace modules - but that's kinda silly on a Hulk (imho).

Fully tanked, maybe they can get away after concord hits - and it would take more people to do - but didn't you guys just prove in Jita that regardless of what you have, or how you tank it, a determined foe can alpha pretty much any ship in space?

I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#289 - 2012-05-06 15:10:32 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.


let me rephrase it for the pubbie

why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#290 - 2012-05-06 15:10:45 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.

Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.


I used myself as an example, but anyone could and would do it if you gave them the opportunity to do so. I got out of the black ops thing a while ago, and I really couldn't give less of a **** about what you meta gamers do in the ass end of space, playing simon says in lagy fleets and pretending taht you are somehow "hard" and "spymasters" in RL because of it.



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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#291 - 2012-05-06 15:11:16 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...


So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#292 - 2012-05-06 15:11:55 UTC
Andski wrote:

why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle


I thought the argument was only bots were doing the mining in the first place so who'd you buy the minerals of if nobody human mines?
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#293 - 2012-05-06 15:12:10 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.

Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.


I used myself as an example, but anyone could and would do it if you gave them the opportunity to do so. I got out of the black ops thing a while ago, and I really couldn't give less of a **** about what you meta gamers do in the ass end of space, playing simon says in lagy fleets and pretending taht you are somehow "hard" and "spymasters" in RL because of it.



Everyone -does- have the opportunity to do so. We have miners in Deklein right now waiting for people to come kill them. Crazy ******* that they are, we just can't teach them.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#294 - 2012-05-06 15:12:22 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Andski wrote:
The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better.

I've been messing in EFT, and I can't get a hulk tank much above 28/29K (best case @ all V's). Drones won't help at all (with multiple enemies). I didn't try going faction/deadspace modules - but that's kinda silly on a Hulk (imho).

Fully tanked, maybe they can get away after concord hits - and it would take more people to do - but didn't you guys just prove in Jita that regardless of what you have, or how you tank it, a determined foe can alpha pretty much any ship in space?

I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...


if you're getting popped by "multiple enemies" that kinda blows the whole "lone catalyst" thing out of the water now doesn't it

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#295 - 2012-05-06 15:12:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.


let me rephrase it for the pubbie

why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle





So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable?

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#296 - 2012-05-06 15:12:49 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...


So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec.



Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ?
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#297 - 2012-05-06 15:12:59 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Andski wrote:

why wouldn't this bot army be doing far more profitable things to generate the ISK needed to buy low-ends straight off the market, en masse, in jita, along with sparing everybody a massive logistical hassle


I thought the argument was only bots were doing the mining in the first place so who'd you buy the minerals of if nobody human mines?


That's not my argument, if the price of trit goes up people will mine it any way they can. Bring back the mining rohk.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#298 - 2012-05-06 15:13:58 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
I can't fit a battleship tank on a hulk so tanking a hulk is pointless
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#299 - 2012-05-06 15:14:12 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on.




I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra".





Whelp.
I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is.




Have a nice day... probie Blink



Still this, just saying. Cool

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#300 - 2012-05-06 15:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...


So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec.



Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ?


Because in low sec they could drop carriers on you instead.

Serious answer because you might be genuinely interested: Find an empty low-sec system (there are hundreds), any time someone comes in warp to a nearby safe spot. If they drop probes, dock up.

You might lose a few minutes an hour, but it's cheaper than replacing your hulk.