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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#241 - 2012-05-06 14:35:33 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?

It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Roll

Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#242 - 2012-05-06 14:35:55 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.



Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm.



So this cloaking dude doesn't stop us mining high ends, but is someone able to stop us mining veldspar.

Man, he's good. He's real good.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#243 - 2012-05-06 14:36:44 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
So all of the people with the 'best digital money' at their fingertips need to run bot empires in high sec for 5 million isk an hour.


No, the question was what do RMT'ers and alliances have in common.
That was the answer to that question and that question only, not your invented insinuation.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#244 - 2012-05-06 14:36:59 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.



Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm.




Your player member base does not want to exert nor the time nor the effort involved in protecting a long term mining operation. So doing so in empire is far more economical in terms of time vs ease vs yield.






See? I know all of your secrets.


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#245 - 2012-05-06 14:37:20 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:

PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.



Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm.



So this cloaking dude doesn't stop us mining high ends, but is someone able to stop us mining veldspar.

Man, he's good. He's real good.



Sense, your post makes none.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#246 - 2012-05-06 14:38:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andski wrote:


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting


No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#247 - 2012-05-06 14:39:02 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting


No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield.


yeah because a blackops BS has the range to bridge a gang anywhere in our space

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Whitehound
#248 - 2012-05-06 14:39:09 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?

It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Roll

Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them.

What do you do with all those strip miners?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#249 - 2012-05-06 14:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting


No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield.


yeah because a blackops BS has the range to bridge a gang anywhere in our space


also "playing on my main while waiting for hulks to leave POS shields" while having a "black ops alt cyno toon" (what the ****) parked in a system implies that my main is sitting on a titan or blackops BS

what I'm saying is that you should stop trying to provide your "insights" because you've never left your hisec veldspar belt

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#250 - 2012-05-06 14:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andski wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting


No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield.


yeah because a blackops BS has the range to bridge a gang anywhere in our space



I have one black ops toon, 2 black ops cov cyno alts and one transportship character. You seem to know nothing about Black ops.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#251 - 2012-05-06 14:42:09 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting


No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt.


Ok, so move to another system? Veldspar is in literally every system of the game. If you have a few hulks and a rorqual you can mine in a different system every day if you so choose.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#252 - 2012-05-06 14:43:39 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting


No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt.


Ok, so move to another system? Veldspar is in literally every system of the game. If you have a few hulks and a rorqual you can mine in a different system every day if you so choose.




Let me divine an ingenious counter strategy,.
Hmmm.... the covert ops ship moves to!!


Whew, its like fighting Sun Tzu.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#253 - 2012-05-06 14:43:59 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?

It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Roll

Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them.

What do you do with all those strip miners?


We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#254 - 2012-05-06 14:44:50 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?

It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Roll

Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them.

What do you do with all those strip miners?


We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get.



I never said that.
Read the part about how the empire mining of low ends is more economical in terms of time vs ease vs reward, probie.

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#255 - 2012-05-06 14:44:58 UTC
Veldgate.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#256 - 2012-05-06 14:45:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Andski wrote:


let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting


No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt.


Ok, so move to another system? Veldspar is in literally every system of the game. If you have a few hulks and a rorqual you can mine in a different system every day if you so choose.




Let me divine an ingenious counter strategy,.
Hmmm.... the covert ops ship moves to!!


Whew, its like fighting Sun Tzu.


Ok, so you schlep it all the way over the other side of deklein to grief me. Then I use our cyno beacon network to jump back to where I was before. Total downtime: about 3 minutes.

[Better solution: Fit a cyno mod on one of the hulks, destroy your blackops BS and refine the mods into minerals.]
Whitehound
#257 - 2012-05-06 14:47:26 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?

It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Roll

Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them.

What do you do with all those strip miners?


We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get.

Do Goons have super carriers? I thought most of you were all fapping on some awful Facebook clone of a website.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#258 - 2012-05-06 14:49:13 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?

It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify. Roll

Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them.

What do you do with all those strip miners?


We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get.



I never said that.
Read the part about how the empire mining of low ends is more economical in terms of time vs ease vs reward, probie.


It's not any harder than mining the high ends though. And I wouldn't have to worry about hulkageddon.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#259 - 2012-05-06 14:50:27 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I have one black ops toon, 2 black ops cov cyno alts and one transportship character. You seem to know nothing about Black ops.


for one, you probably don't even have JDC V on your blackops character, and even if you did, your jump range is absolutely horrendous so you're far from being a threat to every miner in an entire region

please keep trying to "educate" me regarding things I have a lot more experience than you in

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#260 - 2012-05-06 14:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:


Ok, so you schlep it all the way over the other side of deklein to grief me. Then I use our cyno beacon network to jump back to where I was before. Total downtime: about 3 minutes.





No. I log off a Cov fleet with a few recons and one 1-2 black ops ship with a few jumps of your mining systems, so you cannot report me for using logoffski exploits. Each toon is an alt of someone else, so they can log them in at will any time of day, while playing on their mains.


I wait until the hulks start mining.
I black ops hot drop them and kill a few
You counterstruck with a titan hot drop and kill a couple of stealth bombers

You wait
We wait.


Your people eventually get tired of waiting.
My army of alts regroup and wait for your defense fleet to get involved with something else (protecting miners is boring)
My alt army does not get tired of harassing your fleet forever, and they can follow them wherever they go.




This goes on for weeks, all the while you are missing out on minerals that you could be mining far more easily in the safety of empire, on NPC's using bots. All of this has been thought up by people smarted then you already, and this is why mining bots in empire is so prevalent. TBH, prior to the drone region nerf, it was the only way that you guys could compete with the Russian supercapital generating machine.

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