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EVE New Citizens Q&A

 
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If you wish to be a miner, industrialist in Eve..

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#1 - 2012-05-06 11:04:58 UTC
Move on to another game. CCP doesn't want your business, you are just cannon fodder for their pet suicide gankers. The game used to balance pvp and pve but not anymore, all is about the killmail and tears.

(I am not a miner or industrialist so am not whining about personal experience, before you forum nazi's flame me)
Staxed
Femboi Fan Club
#2 - 2012-05-06 11:55:30 UTC
Funny, the market looks like it's full of ships and modules that are made by miners/industrialists/builders...so...hmm...

:rolleyes:
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#3 - 2012-05-06 12:29:39 UTC
Staxed wrote:
Funny, the market looks like it's full of ships and modules that are made by miners/industrialists/builders...so...hmm...

:rolleyes:


And the prices are rising as thousands of miners are being ganked.
Grikath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-06 13:41:09 UTC
If there's someone trolling it's actually you, starting a thread on a subject you've been waffling about in several other threads already ( yes, I checked...) , in the way you do now.

a couple of remarks here..

a) CCP does not "do" anything other than enabling players to play the "Sandbox". Any humps and bumps in this game are created by players, not the company that is CCP. The only thing that CCP does is give us players the tools to navigate those humps and bumps, and it's up to players to use the right tool at the right time, or suffer the consequences.

b) If CCP does not care for miners and industrialists, could you please explain why they removed drone goo and most T1 drops from wrecks?
As far as I can see this has actually made the mining/industrialist profession(s) relevant again for the first time in years, by shifting resource sources back to the place they were originally planned, and making the risk/reward equation for plying this profession in the more dangerous spots in EVE good enough to actually go through the effort of securing it.

c) The ganking you're referring to in your posts, and which seems to be a major beef for you has always been a part of this game, well before Highsec was even invented. Players that like ganking ships in highsec simply got more creative in doing so.
CCP has always stated that ganking in and of itself is a legal game tactic. They also make sure that any exploits used in this activity are plugged soon-ish. Recent devblogs and notifications are simple proof of that, and with the launcher in place they can actually plug stuff "on the fly", and regularly do so, which is also regularly testified in ganker tears and "wtf's?".

In this respect I must , again, point out that Highsec is not "safe", and it is so intentionally. It is a pvp area where CONCORD makes shooting people outside of their rules a lot more expensive, which imposes a deterrent to the worst of the bottomfeeders. It does not offer protection against a dedicated player who decides that your ship needs to go for whatever reason, real or imagined.

d) Ganking, and specifically Hulkagheddon is a player-driven event/practice that specifically targets those players that mistakenly assume Highsec is "safe", and proceed to undock in ships that are set up to maximise yield, but offer no protection whatshowever against anyone with ill intent, and worse, do so in the most populated areas and pay no attention to their surroundings whatshowever.
So naturaly they fall victim to gankers and whine about it, even though a minimum amount of effort, and a willingness to settle for a slightly lesser yield would make them basically immune to anything but the most dedicated forms of ganking.

In fact, the most obvious mining solution is easily attainable by even the rookie miners, ancient, and funnily enough even more efficient than flying around in the cheaper Lesser Loot Piñatas.
[Points to Old Halada's mining guide and the wonders of Rokh Mining. Proceeds to point to ship fitting tool of choice and the EHP of a fully buffer-tanked Rokh. Proceeds to point to EVE-kill/other interwebz source for a typical gank setup. Sits back and lets people figure out cost-to-gank for themselves.]

The simple fact is that your comment here suffers from two major mis-assumptions: that highsec is safe, and that CCP is responsible for that safety. Neither assumption is true. A fact which has been stated over and over again in the past years here and elsewhere.
What has happened is that your friends insisted on undocking ships that are not suitable for the current environment outside of the docking area, and paid the price for it. Which is the game "working as intended".
Harsh, but this is EVE. And what aggravates your situation is that from your other posts I get the idea that those friends have been around long enough to know better. So, no, there's no sympathy from me.

And trying to demotivate new players over something as obvious as this doesn't exactly make you look good either, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Highsec isn't "Safe".  Neither is it a playground for bullies and bottomfeeders. So stop complaining and start playing the game already.

ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#5 - 2012-05-06 13:46:10 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Move on to another game. CCP doesn't want your business, you are just cannon fodder for their pet suicide gankers. The game used to balance pvp and pve but not anymore, all is about the killmail and tears.

(I am not a miner or industrialist so am not whining about personal experience, before you forum ****'s flame me)

a) Not true.
b) Please take your flamethrower elsewhere; for example, feel free to use it in GD, but be warned that flamebait threads will get locked there as well.

ISD Grossvogel (ISD Гроссфогель) Captain, Community Communication Liaisons (CCL) Волонтёр группы по взаимодействию с игроками Interstellar Services Department