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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-05-06 11:40:49 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Andski wrote:
Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up.

You are not in the game when you are posting on the forum and yet you accuse players for being afk. You then get all worked up on the forum about it and fail to realize that your brain has gone afk.


Shame that I don't whine when I get ganked while AFK, isn't it?

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#82 - 2012-05-06 11:40:54 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.


I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums...


You just keep on prattling the party line. Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. I doubt most miners are afk and anyone who writes 'amirite' is an ignorant moron.


Clearly the ignorant moron here is you, you clearly have no idea on the potential tank the hulk can have but virtually no miners are intelligent enough to fit because they're too busy dreaming of the highest yield they can get from their hulk. It is no party line when 5 killboard of over 3000 kills on each at least tell the same story, and I'm the moron Roll

As for lady holfstadder enough people already have confirmed that you have no idea what you're on about so I'll leave it at that.


People realize that it cannot be tanked, whatever they try they will be ganked. With that in mind they fit for optimum yield to try to earn as much as they can before it gets popped by some sociopathic knuckle dragger or two in catalysts. This entire suicide ganking craze needs to be looked at and adjustments made.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-05-06 11:43:40 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
People realize that it cannot be tanked, whatever they try they will be ganked. With that in mind they fit for optimum yield to try to earn as much as they can before it gets popped by some sociopathic knuckle dragger or two in catalysts. This entire suicide ganking craze needs to be looked at and adjustments made.


I demonstrated that it can be tanked against "some sociopathic knuckle dragger or two in Catalysts." That doesn't even take things like ECM drones, Tengu/Vulture bonuses or anything of the sort into account.

I understand that you dislike risks in a PvP game, but that is not our problem.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#84 - 2012-05-06 11:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg.


Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 3]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


34k ehp against CN antimatter and void

yeah hulks are so weak ((


Fake fitting is fake. Mr. All to Five says 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375.
Caecilia Arene
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-05-06 11:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Caecilia Arene
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:

...
CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.
...


You're right! CCP does allow this.

Me thinks this may not be the game you are looking for...
Whitehound
#86 - 2012-05-06 11:44:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
Shame that I don't whine when I get ganked while AFK, isn't it?

You do whine, because you could play the game but for some reason do you cry your stupidity all over the forum. What has any of your behaviour still to do with game play? At the end of the day did you only post **** and made no ISKs at all. You are not participating in the game at all.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-05-06 11:47:09 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
and made no ISKs at all


I did sell 15 Hulkageddon mining permits!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-05-06 11:47:30 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?

Price a catalyst.
Price a hulk.

People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.

Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.

People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?

Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.

CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.

They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."

If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.

So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.

tank your goddamn hulk and stop being AFK ffs.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-05-06 11:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Fake fitting is fake. Mr. All to Five says 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375.


Have you not heard of CPU hardwirings or are you just pretending to be dense?

That's 29k EHP assuming equal damage distribution (this is never the case), but 34k against 50% kinetic/50% thermal, you know, the blaster damage profile.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Whitehound
#90 - 2012-05-06 11:50:02 UTC
Andski wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
and made no ISKs at all


I did sell 15 Hulkageddon mining permits!

No, you keep posting crap and are still not playing the game.

OP has set more gankers into afk mode with his thread than any of you realize. But, please, keep posting.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2012-05-06 11:51:04 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

Fake fitting is fake. Mr. All to Five says 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375.


[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Immune to any destroyer.
seany1212
M Y S T
#92 - 2012-05-06 11:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: seany1212
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg.


Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 3]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


34k ehp against CN antimatter and void

yeah hulks are so weak ((


Fake fitting is fake. Mr. All to Five says 29K EHP and uses 380 CPU whereas the Hulk has got 375.


Except he said that it has that tank against a specific damage type used by catalysts, and sounds at most that it needs a 2% CPU implant which is hardly expensive.

For bunny hop the only way they could fix this 'suicide ganking craze' is if they changed it so there was no aggression in highsec as anything can be ganked given enough manpower, hulks just make it easier on the gankers. But I don't see CCP doing that considering the game is based around destruction.
Mr Droneson
Soul Rippers
#93 - 2012-05-06 11:52:28 UTC
ill say what has been said but clear as crystal glass.

GROW THE **** UP AND GET SOME DAMN BALLS THE GAME IS NOT UNBALANCED THE GAME IS PRETTY DAMN BALANCED AS IS, IF YOUR DIEING TO GANKS BECAUSE OF HULKAGEDDON L2P IT'S THAT SIMPLE. STOP FAIL FITTING, WATCH YOUR ******* OVERVIEW AND L2P AGAIN. I HAVE TOONS I MINE ON NO PROBLEM HELL IF AFK MINERS COULD GO ABOUT BUISSNESS WITH TITAN LIKE TANKS THEN MINERALS PRICES WOULD SINK SO LOW IT WOULDN'T BE FUNNY AND MACRO MINERS WOULD BE POPULAR BEYOND CONTAINMENT AND THE GAME WOULD JUST DIE. FACT IS NO TANK WILL SAVE A HULK FROM GANKERS. YOUR BEST BET IS TO BUFFER TANK YOUR SHIELDS AND MAKE SURE U HAVE A WARP STAB ON SO U CAN GTFO WHEN THE GANKERS ROLL IN AND BE ALIGNED FOR GOD SAKES
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-05-06 11:52:45 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Andski wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
and made no ISKs at all


I did sell 15 Hulkageddon mining permits!

No, you keep posting crap and are still not playing the game.

OP has set more gankers into afk mode with his thread than any of you realize. But, please, keep posting.


The problem is that you're assuming I gank Hulks. I don't - I get tired of lining up every gank - contrary to popular belief, suicide ganking really isn't effortless!

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Noofels
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-05-06 11:53:18 UTC
I asked how to play a Hulk in high sec.

People answered that I have to do everything one would do in null sec and wh space in order to avoid getting blown up. Thus, we can conclude that high sec space is just as dangerous as null sec.

The risk is equal in both space, so give equal rewards. Bring ABC ores to high sec. At least then we can justify the risk.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-05-06 11:54:18 UTC
Mr Droneson wrote:
ill say what has been said but clear as crystal glass.

GROW THE **** UP AND GET SOME DAMN BALLS THE GAME IS NOT UNBALANCED THE GAME IS PRETTY DAMN BALANCED AS IS, IF YOUR DIEING TO GANKS BECAUSE OF HULKAGEDDON L2P IT'S THAT SIMPLE. STOP FAIL FITTING, WATCH YOUR ******* OVERVIEW AND L2P AGAIN. I HAVE TOONS I MINE ON NO PROBLEM HELL IF AFK MINERS COULD GO ABOUT BUISSNESS WITH TITAN LIKE TANKS THEN MINERALS PRICES WOULD SINK SO LOW IT WOULDN'T BE FUNNY AND MACRO MINERS WOULD BE POPULAR BEYOND CONTAINMENT AND THE GAME WOULD JUST DIE. FACT IS NO TANK WILL SAVE A HULK FROM GANKERS. YOUR BEST BET IS TO BUFFER TANK YOUR SHIELDS AND MAKE SURE U HAVE A WARP STAB ON SO U CAN GTFO WHEN THE GANKERS ROLL IN AND BE ALIGNED FOR GOD SAKES



lol Big smile
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-05-06 11:54:55 UTC
Noofels wrote:
I asked how to play a Hulk in high sec.

People answered that I have to do everything one would do in null sec and wh space in order to avoid getting blown up. Thus, we can conclude that high sec space is just as dangerous as null sec.

The risk is equal in both space, so give equal rewards. Bring ABC ores to high sec. At least then we can justify the risk.


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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#98 - 2012-05-06 11:55:38 UTC
Noofels wrote:
I asked how to play a Hulk in high sec.

People answered that I have to do everything one would do in null sec and wh space in order to avoid getting blown up. Thus, we can conclude that high sec space is just as dangerous as null sec.

The risk is equal in both space, so give equal rewards. Bring ABC ores to high sec. At least then we can justify the risk.


The difference between high sec and everywhere else is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in high sec are not going to try to kill you.
Whitehound
#99 - 2012-05-06 11:56:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
The problem is that you're assuming I gank Hulks. I don't - I get tired of lining up every gank - contrary to popular belief, suicide ganking really isn't effortless!

No, I am "assuming" that you blame players for being afk while you continue to post crap on the forum. You are just as much afk as they are. When do you get this into your head?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-05-06 11:57:08 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Andski wrote:
The problem is that you're assuming I gank Hulks. I don't - I get tired of lining up every gank - contrary to popular belief, suicide ganking really isn't effortless!

No, I am "assuming" that you blame players for being afk while you continue to post crap on the forum. You are just as much afk as they are. When do you get this into your head?


tell me more about posting on forums while "away from keyboard"

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