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Players of high sec - CCP is trolling you and laughing while doing it. A proposition.
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seany1212
M Y S T
#61 - 2012-05-06 11:21:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.


I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums...
Francisco Bizzaro
#62 - 2012-05-06 11:21:18 UTC
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.

Sir, I couldn't help but notice that all of the kills you've identified are within 6 jumps of a market hub. Could there be a correlation? Interesting. I wish there was some way to apply that new-found knowledge, but sadly I lack imagination. And anyway your post has given me some excellent fitting ideas which I am sure will solve my problems.
Lady Hofstedar
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-05-06 11:23:23 UTC
how r they trolling us?

I run vll 4's in a tengu n make nearly 80-120mil a hour dependant on salvage amnd usually another 40mil ontop of that on loot

null sec ratting in an hour ro anoms, u dont make anywhere near that

ur the ones getting trolled :)

CCO secrelty loves us still n not u

NO AND JKS

NOW I TROLLED U

HOW U FEEL
JamesCLK
#64 - 2012-05-06 11:24:23 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Andski wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Andski wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290741
fyi one invuln isn't going to save you

Wow. And even with max skills and the invul field turned off, that fit should have twice the EHP against blasters.
Hell, even with no skills it should have 6k ehp or so. Tsk tsk.

You're assuming that the dude has tanking skills trained.

God no. They should maximise their yield only, and then complain when this choice has any consequences whatsoever.


I like how Hulk miners nuke their own EHP by fitting Cargo Expanders and Rigs (~50% of a Hulk's base HP is in structure).
If only they'd fit a DCU... Sad

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Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-05-06 11:26:32 UTC
There is no possibility to tank a determined suicide gank.

If anything you could buffer tank a mining vessel and hope your opponent is too dumb to have fitted a warp disruptor.


If a mining vessel is tanked it's usually with rats in mind, and to tank 0.5 rats all you need is a little passive shield recharge.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#66 - 2012-05-06 11:26:49 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.


I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums...


You just keep on prattling the party line. Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. I doubt most miners are afk and anyone who writes 'amirite' is an ignorant moron.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-05-06 11:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg.


Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 3]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


34k ehp against CN antimatter and void

yeah hulks are so weak ((

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lady Hofstedar
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-05-06 11:27:00 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.


I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums...


U think ur so important u idiots and your hulkageddon bullshit

WHO CARES - Keep blowijng the miners up

What uive been doing is just proof of why the market price has risen for ships because if u had cared to look there are less ships being produced

i make me wet myself laughing

ccp didnt **** this game

pvp pilots did, period, end of
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-05-06 11:28:49 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
What uive been doing is just proof of why the market price has risen for ships because if u had cared to look there are less ships being produced


yeah the rise in ship prices has nothing to do with the removal of drone alloys and massive market speculation in the weeks leading up to that

no, it's because your hulk was blown up

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2012-05-06 11:30:01 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:



U think ur so important u idiots and your hulkageddon bullshit

WHO CARES - Keep blowijng the miners up

What uive been doing is just proof of why the market price has risen for ships because if u had cared to look there are less ships being produced

i make me wet myself laughing

ccp didnt **** this game

pvp pilots did, period, end of


My ship production is rising every single week. The only thing holding me back is the cost of new BPOs, working 50-72 hour weeks and the gym.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-05-06 11:31:04 UTC
Romar Agent wrote:
There is no possibility to tank a determined suicide gank.

If anything you could buffer tank a mining vessel and hope your opponent is too dumb to have fitted a warp disruptor.

If a mining vessel is tanked it's usually with rats in mind, and to tank 0.5 rats all you need is a little passive shield recharge.


You don't need to run faster than the lion, you just have to run faster than other gazelles...
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#72 - 2012-05-06 11:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bunnie Hop
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg.


Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 3]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


34k ehp against CN antimatter and void

yeah hulks are so weak ((


Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenuous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it.
Whitehound
#73 - 2012-05-06 11:31:54 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.


Those fits...suicide gankers are like darwinism in action.

Same applies to mass murders. The only dumb thing is that a space game has about as much to do with Darwinism as mass murders have to do with gankers.

This thread is fail. OP makes a good stand, but he is really only fighting a mob of zombies with rainbows.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-05-06 11:34:19 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg.


Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 3]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


34k ehp against CN antimatter and void

yeah hulks are so weak ((


Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it.


Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Prince Kobol
#75 - 2012-05-06 11:34:53 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?

Price a catalyst.
Price a hulk.

People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.

Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.

People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?

Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.

CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.

They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."

If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.

So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.


This is why NPC Players should be banned from posting
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#76 - 2012-05-06 11:35:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Andski wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg.


Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 3]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


34k ehp against CN antimatter and void

yeah hulks are so weak ((


Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it.


Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up.


I don't mine, so don't imply 'my afk' playstyle. But I know alot of people who do and none of them are ever AFK. Again, you post such crap.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2012-05-06 11:35:59 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:


Your arguement, as usual, is so disengenuous. You clearly wish the Hulk to remain what it currently is so that you can continue to gank it.


People will gank them for as long as people fail to tank them.
seany1212
M Y S T
#78 - 2012-05-06 11:36:32 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
Andski wrote:
look at the tanks on these hulks:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290711
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290644
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290593
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290528
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13290328

I did not pick these out selectively. Those are the last five Hulk losses on eve-kill - if you're dumb enough to believe in some "ISK tank" nonsense you can rightly get lost.


I wouldn't bother mate, you can tell this to miners until you're blue in the face, its like speaking to a brick wall (although most would be afk amirite?) The whole hulkageddon killboard is full of these, along with previous ones, but this crowd ccp is dragging in these days want to be effectively invulnerable in highsec and will do nothing other than complain until they get it. Anything in highsec can be ganked, end of story, the hulk can be tanked, end of story. Its just most chose not to then come to shiptoast on the forums...


You just keep on prattling the party line. Hulks cannot be adequately tanked, they lack the pg. I doubt most miners are afk and anyone who writes 'amirite' is an ignorant moron.


Clearly the ignorant moron here is you, you clearly have no idea on the potential tank the hulk can have but virtually no miners are intelligent enough to fit because they're too busy dreaming of the highest yield they can get from their hulk. It is no party line when 5 killboard of over 3000 kills on each at least tell the same story, and I'm the moron Roll

As for lady holfstadder enough people already have confirmed that you have no idea what you're on about so I'll leave it at that.
Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-05-06 11:38:46 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?

Price a catalyst.
Price a hulk.

People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.

Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.

People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?

Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.

CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.

They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."

If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.

So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.



Internet Lawyer Steve on the scene...


Obviously this character does not understand EVE online or HOW TO FIT A TANK. Yes risk vs. reward. You dont fit a tank, that is your risk for a higher yield.

Since CCP has switched the Drones regions to bounties and crappy drops, mineral prices are going up. Miners have gotten their "buff". Now for the rest of us, Please stop making crappy threads and crying. Learn to Eve or GB2WOW.





Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,

Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time...
Whitehound
#80 - 2012-05-06 11:39:22 UTC
Andski wrote:
Uh, what? Plug that into EFT and tell me I'm wrong, because I'm right. I don't want CCP to continue removing risks from your AFK playstyle - sorry if this gets you worked up.

You are not in the game when you are posting on the forum and yet you accuse players for being afk. You then get all worked up on the forum about it and fail to realize that your brain has gone afk.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.