EVE General Discussion

ppl work together for a lot of stuff. stop saying as if incursion is innovation for everything in the whole new eden

8 hours before downtime & 100% of Minmitar constellation Vanguards consist of OTA's...

Dude you forget that the Shield guys cannot do the OTAs . they are to scared to do them. so they run the NCO or NMC forcing the armor guys to run the OTAs. They also seem like they do not wish to contest our fleets now. no idea why maybe they just need someone to lead them by the hand and show them how to do it. but int he mean time more iskies for us armor guys

Lies the CCP's breath is the stench of death for the fun of Incursions. Looks like they are beginning to see this in the numbers too. Testing of this was crap. I hope the rest of Inferno isn't as screwed up.

100M/hour in assaults is another lie.
No one can maintain that rate.

Get lucky and make 100M in a 60 minute block, maybe.
But 200M in 2 hours, not a prayer

I used to run assaults in an armour fleet months ago.
The FC was top notch, and very demanding of skills and ships.
We averaged out at 60M/hour, occasionally spiking to 76M if we actually had 4 sites complete in a 60 minute block.

But hey, start cranking out the propaganda that Incursions are still too rich.
Given the state of affairs inside CCP, they will likely believe it.

Flat nerfs to payout will not fix incursions.

I've been an incursion runner for about a year now and farming VG's has become a way of life. Need isk? Jump to your incursion clone and fly to nearest incursion, farm a few days take your 2+bil back to null sec or wherever 'home' is and buy w/e you want need for the next month.

It's a comfortable lifestyle. And while i appreciate it's merits i don't think that's what incursions were meant to be. I think there should be a sense of urgency to shutting down an incursion, not a reason to keep it going till the last day before killing the mom. I think there should be motivation to upgrade from vanguards to assaults and HQs and finally the mothership. Here are my suggestions:

1. Return the starting pay for VG's to the previous amount, until the system goes from red to blue on the meter, at which point scout/vanguard sites will receive reduced payout. Imo the reduced payout should be reduced slightly even from the current amount. (This should cause a sense of urgency to get to the incursion asap and begin shutting down VG's but will reduce motivation to keep the incursion up for longer farming)

2. Tweak the current VG's to make them slightly more time efficient to run without making them less difficult. (ie move the array closer to the warp in so the hacker doesnt have to run out of rep range, same for the ore drop in the NMC's, and remove the Niarja's from OTAs, this will allow fleets to focus fire on the tougher primary target, the Mara) This will allow fleets to take advantage of the initial higher pay of the VGs and draw people to the incursion systems more quickly allowing a larger pool of pilots for assembling Assault/HQ fleets.

3. Slightly increase the payout for Assaults and HQs after the meter goes blue, but reduce the payout for inactive Assault/HQ sites once the Mothership spawns. This should help transition pilots from VG fleets to larger fleets while keeping Assault/HQ's from becoming the new farmable sites.

And if these arent enough to get people to shut down incursions faster then maybe some added incentive to killing the mom. Like a degrading of the bonus rewards from the Mothership site the longer it goes uncontested. The sooner you kill the mom the bigger your reward. I know CCP Affinity was running Incursions w/ BTL leaders and others on Sisi and perhaps they would have some suggestions on how to make the mom a higher priority.
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This is an invasion scenario, the pve equivalent of a hostile takeover... in an area being invaded like this you have those that would flee and those that would fight. The suggestions above are to motivate people to fight but if the mom still isnt going down sooner perhaps the incursion or the system penalties should spread to additional systems, or market/contracts would become inaccessable, or mission agents... something to make the noncombatants either defend the space or flee.

Many Incursion communities are onlife support CCP has killed a few already.

Who is making 100m an hour in assault liar?
Tell me the name of a single pilot that is making 100millin an hour on assault troll!

Herr Ronin, scroll up.

Anyway, you going to try rolling with the punches and maybe swap to a different profession yet? Incursions are still by far the highest isk paying profession for the least risk, they still outrank chaining sanctums and they do it all in high sec. Especially since they can easily be dual boxed.

I really don't get what you're bitching about.

Doesn't he run an incursion community? Seems like a good source to me.

Besides, my other points still stand. Pretty good pay, little risk, easily dual boxed and without any of the hassle associated with living in low/null sec. I can't really see why you are still complaining.