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Always going to be greif but why do we log into eve?
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Whitehound
#81 - 2012-05-05 22:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Mars Theran wrote:
I don't laugh when I see someone get kicked in the nuts. I don't know a lot of people that wouldn't though, so far as I am aware anyway.

I remember how I and friends pinched one another in the balls. That was when I was 6-8 years old. It gets boring very fast, but I could imagine that some do this at an higher age. It is the stupid things you do when you are a kid and we did laugh about it. I know of one guy who grew up in an orphanage and where they masturbated onto cookies and made each other eat them. Unimaginable for me, but they had a fun time, too.

Or listen to the kids in the background to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVE60zwXx1k

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Torneach
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-05-05 22:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Torneach
Whitehound wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
I don't laugh when I see someone get kicked in the nuts. I don't know a lot of people that wouldn't though, so far as I am aware anyway.

I remember how I and friends pinched one another in the balls. That was when I was 6-8 years old. It gets boring very fast, but I could imagine that some do this at an higher age. It is the stupid things you do when you are a kid and we did laugh about it. I know of one guy who grew up in an orphanage and where they masturbated onto cookies and made each other eat them. Unimaginable for me, but they had a fun time, too.


Shocked
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-05-05 22:42:42 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Freggan wrote:
I really like the ideas generated by some pretty intelligent people all coalescing into a very cool game. I play when I feel like missioning, mining, deadspace complexing, scanning, talking with corp mates or just to look at the graphics. One thing I never have logged in specifically to do is give people grief. I am not talking about pvp, thats a part of the game and an integral part at that but I am refering more to the art of yelling at a mirror because its too reflective or in eve online terms, abusing someone in game for not doing the same things as themselves for entirely different reasons due to fact they have different interests/lifestyles etc.

Please forgive me for what I type next lol.

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand. But why the @#$% would I want to spend my time at home relaxing and give people grief in an online game??? Somehow it seems idiotic dealing with very real physical violence day in and day out then want to do it in any unreal sort of way to relax.


I can't be bothered to "grief" people most of the time, but it's kind of like seeing someone get hit in the nuts. It's funny every single time.

No one wants to get hit in the nuts, ever. Everyone laugh when someone else takes a shot to the balls, even you. Do you want to kick someone in the nuts? Probably not. Do you still laugh when it happens, yes.

That's why people greif.

Edit: Since it's a game no one is getting hurt, so all the better.



I don't laugh when I see someone get kicked in the nuts. I don't know a lot of people that wouldn't though, so far as I am aware anyway.


How about when a Father pitching for his kids softball games gets nailed?

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-05-05 22:46:54 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Freggan wrote:
You get soo close to seeing the truth Big smile ...

Your truth. She has got her own.


I see you do not subscribe to the belief "its either true in every situation or its not truth at all, its just a convenient story".
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-05-05 22:58:48 UTC
You are wrong. Obviously non PvPers are worse at PvP because they do not practice, but at the same time, it is not something everyone can do. PvE or mining, or any other task against a predictable AI is learnable by the majority of people who play this game. The ability to test your skills against another human being is not always learnable for some people.

I am not good at PvP, I am not sure if I think it is fun or not, but I know even if it was all I wanted to do I would probably not be very good at it. You should play the game how you want to enjoy it but the truth of the matter is not everyone can PvP because it is not as simple as PvE.

Again though you miss the point. That being, this is a game and they have the right to enjoy it however they want. There are other games that are for people who do not wish to be as competitive all the time, and contrary to popular belief among EVE players they are fine as well. The reason why they over react so harshly is because there are some individuals who want to ruin the one game that does not subscribe to that way of play.

Ferox #1
Gloomy Gus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#86 - 2012-05-05 23:04:52 UTC
Freggan wrote:
for too many years I have joyfully fantasized about being the guy who had thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand


fixed

"DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini "Gloomy Gus is literally a pocket" - Krixtal Icefluxor (former EVE Online player)
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-05-05 23:11:15 UTC
Gloomy Gus wrote:
Freggan wrote:
for too many years I have fantasized about being the guy who had normal problems1


I am gay is that normal


Dude keep it to yourself.
Whitehound
#88 - 2012-05-05 23:12:12 UTC
Freggan wrote:
I see you do not subscribe to the belief "its either true in every situation or its not truth at all, its just a convenient story".

Truth is told, just like a story is. Everyone tells their own story and has their own truth. In court, where a judge needs to find out about the truth, does he need to put the pieces together and to find a truth for himself. The judge has no story to tell and does not know if anything is true at all. He needs to compare each story, listen to what the witnesses tell him as being the truth, and decide upon the common pieces what likely happened. It becomes a new story and a new truth. Only the skill of the judge then decide how good this truth is. There is however no "real" truth, or "the one and only" truth.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-05-05 23:23:05 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
Next time you get mugged, I hope someone who could have intervened walks away.

Just sayin.

Keep your hate to yourself, asshat.


I'm sorry I proved you wrong and then had you resort to insults, asshat.

No, you do hate me and you are an asshat and you keep being one. Keeping posting. All you are showing is your hate.



This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw

or

You are a sad misguided Eve denizen.

Before you even go to type it. Yes, I do.

I embrace the fact that I do, and I will continue to do so ever time I see your terrible posts.

You must get this all the time. Just add me to the list.

Hope that helps.
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-05-05 23:25:22 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
You are wrong. Obviously non PvPers are worse at PvP because they do not practice, but at the same time, it is not something everyone can do. PvE or mining, or any other task against a predictable AI is learnable by the majority of people who play this game. The ability to test your skills against another human being is not always learnable for some people.


I will always believe every single person has the same chance to learn the same things, the only difference is the outcome. Did you know there are people out there that believe woman can't join the army...you know...because they are women and obviously have a lesser ability than anyone else (its true because I watched it on a doco) Big smile. Or would you believe some people cant use keys on a keyboard or even use a pointing/clicking device? Its all learn able by everyone somehow, some where and at some time and to some degree of success. The only part that seems fake is the part where one person or one group of people believe they are better than the other/s because of some misplaced sense of superiority just because they decided to learn to use a keyboards keys and mouse in concert better than someone who was out fishing at the time. It is all perspective and everyone dies in the end.
Whitehound
#91 - 2012-05-05 23:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
The D1ngo wrote:
This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw

or

You are a sad misguided Eve denizen.

Before you even go to type it. Yes, I do.

I embrace the fact that I do, and I will continue to do so ever time I see your terrible posts.

You must get this all the time. Just add me to the list.

Hope that helps.

I have no idea what you are talking of, but you seem to hate me, too. Should I be worried?

Here is a video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2012-05-05 23:31:07 UTC
Freggan wrote:
It is all perspective and everyone dies in the end.

But, but we are immortal capsuleers....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-05-05 23:38:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Freggan wrote:
It is all perspective and everyone dies in the end.

But, but we are immortal capsuleers....


I am so very wrong and I apologize profusely Big smile I really enjoyed that sentence thank you lol
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-05-06 00:09:00 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
I think of it like this.

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting.
The other boxer pounds the first guy into oblivion.

It's not like EVE is FTP and we're picking on 2 day old noobs who just started playing. Everyone knows what they are in for and if you don't know what kind of game you signed up for then you only have yourself to blame.


I liked your reasoning but if you reasoned a little further you would know that in no way does ccp advertise pvp as the only thing to do in eve so it seems very reasonable to expect not everyone plays eve just for pvp.

So it seems more like 2 people stand behind a wall, the little guy wants to beat on the wall if it looks like he has an audience while the normal guy wonders what all the noise is about.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-05-06 00:13:08 UTC
You still have not countered any of the valid points made by anyone here c: The fact of the matter is you should not, nor have the right to, let the fact that people want to explode your space ship bother you in the way that causes you to call for them to stop on moral grounds.

Ferox #1
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-05-06 00:21:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Freggan
Thats because I dont want anyone to change their minds I just thought it would be nice if their reasons were valid and not tailor made to seem like its the right thing to do :P Part of being human is the need to understand what you are and what your involved in, sometimes the best way is to do what we are both doing right now. In fact the post I personally like the most is post #2 it seemed the most honest and normal way to do anything and deserved my respect, if that actually means anything Big smile

lol sorry for the edit

I only needed to add 1 small point, its not what you choose to do its saying what you have chosen is the only choice available despite all evidence to the contrary. Everyone needs to understand blowing up player ships and/or podding is part of the game but it is in no way the start of the game. Oddly when you consider how ships are built and from what how anyone can come to the conclusion mining and manufacturing isn't a big part of the game.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-05-06 00:32:09 UTC
You do not understand why they explode you? It is for fun. That is the single only reason. You might ask why it is fun to them but that can be either a simple or very complicated question. It is the right thing to do for those people since it makes playing this game fun for them.

It is not the start or end of EVE, it is just what some people enjoy and have the ability to do well. They are right in doing it simply because it is a game and they can.

Ferox #1
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-05-06 00:41:27 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
You do not understand why they explode you? It is for fun. That is the single only reason. You might ask why it is fun to them but that can be either a simple or very complicated question. It is the right thing to do for those people since it makes playing this game fun for them.

It is not the start or end of EVE, it is just what some people enjoy and have the ability to do well. They are right in doing it simply because it is a game and they can.


Has anyone noticed that this game has a thing called mechanics....sort of like guidelines to what is possible to do and what isn't with the exception of exploits etc. I understand if the mechanics support the action then its a valid action to take no matter what....but no where in the game mechanics can it say typing "cowardly miner" to a dude mining while your in a pvp fitted fighting ship is a right action, common sense is the only guidelines in the situation and it leans more to the part where the pvp fitted fighting ship should then be the same ship as the miner and then if he runs "cowardly miner" would be more correctly applied I will even go so far as to say the most cowards you will find are the ones aiming at easy targets P
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2012-05-06 00:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Gankers, you ARE the new rat AI.

Forget sleeper AI, the highsec belt rat has the new Ganker AI and uses destroyer class ships.


The read Gankers Gankalyst spawned in the belt, oh no!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-05-06 01:04:36 UTC
Ooooh, if by greifing you mean the joy of egging people on as you destroy them. I withdraw everything I have said. While I do not think it is a horrible thing to do in this or any game, it does not really have any point except to boost the ego of individuals who have weakened egos.


Ferox #1