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On CCP’s discrimination against New Chinese Capsular

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Tianran Liu
SOE tactical unit 3517
#81 - 2012-05-05 19:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tianran Liu
Mars Theran wrote:
Erad Stomper wrote:
If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.

If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.

If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game.


Of course, unless you are an RMT, the ban is temporary in most cases as far as I know, so you have your chance to stop affiliating yourself with those individuals and play the game properly. It's a good chance they are just trying to recruit fartmers anyway, and if you are a farmer, you are an RMT, and we all know what they deserve. Smile

Maybe not as culpable, but still a cog in the wheel that runs round and tramples all us regular players in the process of ruining our game.


CCP guard edited my post, or you'll have seen GM Nova "I know you are using VPN but since your IP is identical to that hacker, you might be him, so this this account will remain banned and petition closed."



Perramas wrote:
Freedom is not free, you earn it with blood. How many Arabs died in Libya and how long did they fight to topple Gaddafi?? How many are dieing in Syria right now and how long have they been fighting? How many died standing up to the old guard Soviets for years? Tienanmen was what a one day protest? They do not want to have to pay the price for freedom so they are not free.


No it's not a one day protest, it's a fight for freedom mixed with political faction struggle that lasted for more than 2 month and sadly have to end up with blood shed. It's actually a turning point where the CCP refrained from its open up policy and decided to strengthen censorship again. So you don't always get what you fight for, sometimes you get the opposite when you did it wrong, and things are only going to get worse if you fit your high slots with weapons.

And the latest Nobel peace prize winner, "He was There". Mind to take a guess on what his oponion was?
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-05-05 20:18:45 UTC
You know, if you'd just stayed on your own server none of this would have happened
Shian Yang
#83 - 2012-05-05 20:33:32 UTC
Greetings capsuleers,

It is saddening to see how many who claim other should fight for their freedom from the safety of being free themselves are seeking to repress others. There are some disgusting examples of humanity in this thread. You don't deserve what your ancestors obtained for you.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Cineraria
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2012-05-05 20:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cineraria
Jovan Geldon wrote:
You know, if you'd just stayed on your own server none of this would have happened

and you know, if the Boston Tea party members just stayed in their homes, death in the independent war will happen.
and you know, if the Syrians don't protest, none of the massacre would have happen.
and you know, blah blah blah
devil avenger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-05-05 20:51:40 UTC
Perramas wrote:
Sycho Pathic wrote:
Perramas wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Perramas wrote:
The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world.



I am sure thay will do so in the next (democratic) Chinese general election.


They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it.


I seem to recall Tiananmen Square.


Freedom is not free, you earn it with blood. How many Arabs died in Libya and how long did they fight to topple Gaddafi?? How many are dieing in Syria right now and how long have they been fighting? How many died standing up to the old guard Soviets for years? Tienanmen was what a one day protest? They do not want to have to pay the price for freedom so they are not free.


I assure you that the Chinese people know this better then you. before the CCP was in power, China was constantly in war and being invaded for 200 years. The British started a war with China because the government didn't allow them to sell opium, Japanese came to china and massacred 200000-300000 civilians. I am not blaming anyone, we were weak, and **** happens right.But believe me, chinese people do know that freedom is not free. And I am going to tell you why there's no revolution in China right now, it's because chinese people is tired of being in wars. oh and please get your facts straight before u type it down, because you are showing nothing else than pure ignorance P
Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2012-05-05 20:53:13 UTC
Faith Patrouette wrote:
iniq wrote:
my good friend . our corp CEO be banned , and GM said he RMT . and I am sure he didnt do that .now he leave this game , I am disappointed


I too would be dissapointed to find out one of my friends did rmt


Assuming all the bans were investigated by a responsible GM.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-05-05 20:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
devil avenger wrote:
I assure you that the Chinese people know this better then you. before the CCP was in power, China was constantly in war and being invaded for 200 years. The British started a war with China because the government didn't allow them to sell opium, Japanese came to china and massacred 200000-300000 civilians. I am not blaming anyone, we were weak, and **** happens right.But believe me, chinese people do know that freedom is not free. And I am going to tell you why there's no revolution in China right now, it's because chinese people is tired of being in wars. oh and please get your facts straight before u type it down, because you are showing nothing else than pure ignorance P


The Chinese are one of the most consistently oppressed people in history.

In my more WTF days I wondered if they had been *selectively bred* to be passive.

Then I met some of their military folks, and some of their bloggers who speak out against the current regime. More balls than I'll ever have.

Suuuuuuper easy to just say "Freedom isn't free" when your government isn't actively trying to kill you or have a "forced disappearance" ...especially when you have a ton of comrades looking for a leg up who will rat you out.

Hello, hello again.
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-05-05 21:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyla Skin
Perramas wrote:


They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it.


Try this.

On topic, unfortunately I have to side with CCP on this one.

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#89 - 2012-05-05 21:35:59 UTC
Tianran Liu wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:


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Of course, unless you are an RMT, the ban is temporary in most cases as far as I know, so you have your chance to stop affiliating yourself with those individuals and play the game properly. It's a good chance they are just trying to recruit fartmers anyway, and if you are a farmer, you are an RMT, and we all know what they deserve. Smile

Maybe not as culpable, but still a cog in the wheel that runs round and tramples all us regular players in the process of ruining our game.


CCP guard edited my post, or you'll have seen GM Nova "..."


Perramas wrote:
Freedom is not free, you earn it with blood. How many Arabs died in Libya and how long did they fight to topple Gaddafi?? How many are dieing in Syria right now and how long have they been fighting? How many died standing up to the old guard Soviets for years? Tienanmen was what a one day protest? They do not want to have to pay the price for freedom so they are not free.


No it's not a one day protest, it's a fight for freedom mixed with political faction struggle that lasted for more than 2 month and sadly have to end up with blood shed. It's actually a turning point where the CCP refrained from its open up policy and decided to strengthen censorship again. So you don't always get what you fight for, sometimes you get the opposite when you did it wrong, and things are only going to get worse if you fit your high slots with weapons.

And the latest Nobel peace prize winner, "He was There". Mind to take a guess on what his oponion was?


...might want to remove that quote; there is a reason why CCP Guard edited your post.

I have no idea who the latest Nobel prize winner is or why he was "..there." Nobel Prizes are typically a high society thing in the western world anyway so I don't put much stock in them. I`m quite sure many of the holders of these prizes have things they would rather the public not know too.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#90 - 2012-05-05 21:38:04 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Perramas wrote:


They can change the government just like the the Soviet satellite countires did in the late 1980s and early 1990s and like the Arab countries have been doing the last few years. They just need to get off their billion + asses and change it if they do not like it.


Try this.

On topic, unfortunately I have to side with CCP on this one.


Likewise. They may make mistakes but at least they are trying. As for the guy who made huge amounts of ISK, was super rich, etc, etc.. I wouldn`t be surprised if he was an RMT and just hadn't got caught yet.
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#91 - 2012-05-05 21:49:02 UTC
The Center for Disease Control went BANKRUPT? OH CRAP!
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#92 - 2012-05-05 22:01:00 UTC
Tianran Liu wrote:

This was no big deal for me until I noticed the recent dramatic increase in the number of GM harassment against these new accounts. On the two most popular forums in China- ECF and EveBa, there are daily reports of people seeking help because their accounts were banned. Few of them ever got their account back, and I personally have lost corp friends who got banned for borrowing a few million to buy his first drake. I'm sure the GMs got tons of petitions related to this everyday, but some how they did nothing. No, it's worse than nothing, because they even blab about their slaughter of the guilty along with the innocents.


Yes, the GMs get petitions about this. Thousands of them. CCP has already stated, several times, that if they catch an ISK-seller, they will remove the funds and any item gained from the from all accounts that were involved.

Your friends accepted ISK from a disreputable source. I'm sorry to sound so harsh, but when the drug dealer gets caught, they don't just let the buyers off with a warning.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-05-06 01:13:10 UTC
Nate Hill wrote:
It's a large, but isolated, market with millions of pirated games.Cool

With all those pirates, there gotta be a market for EVE out there!

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2012-05-06 01:29:04 UTC
Personally, I'm happy to see our Chinese spacebros on Tranquility. However, if you guys are going to play on our server, you're going to have to get used to the fact that a large number of Eve GMs have the critical thinking skills of a wet fart. Some of them may be intelligent, sensitive individuals who are perfectly capable of rational thought. They just don't do any of that **** at work. Welcome to our world. Goons have been butting heads with dumb GMs since our founding. If you'd like any tips, feel free to send me an evemail. I'm no Internet Spaceship Lawyer, but I know some guys who are.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#95 - 2012-05-06 01:36:29 UTC
I don't think I know enough about what is going on to really have an opinion. It would be a sad state of affairs if someone couldn't play because their government sucked, though. I mean let's face it... who's government doesn't suck? I would be very interested in CCPs take on all of this. Sad

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Serene Repose
#96 - 2012-05-06 01:37:37 UTC
Most likely we have to take the OP's word for all this. Since when do we TRUST in EVE? You have to show me a lot more than assertions. I read the CCP post, and the only people I can see who'd be incensed by it would be the RMT folks. Coming here and squawking about it? I tend to think it's a PR push. Prove me WRONG.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2012-05-06 01:45:52 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Most likely we have to take the OP's word for all this. Since when do we TRUST in EVE? You have to show me a lot more than assertions. I read the CCP post, and the only people I can see who'd be incensed by it would be the RMT folks. Coming here and squawking about it? I tend to think it's a PR push. Prove me WRONG.

2/10

Lurk more.
Jakemonz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-05-06 02:10:36 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
You know, if you'd just stayed on your own server none of this would have happened


You know, if you stay away from this post I won't need to read any of your opinion.
So what's the point.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-05-06 02:17:20 UTC
I kinda like the idea of carving the spaceships out of wood and renting the planetarium.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
RAP ACTION HERO
#100 - 2012-05-06 03:42:04 UTC
lets guantanamo up this mutha

vitoc erryday