EVE General Discussion

Since the discussion in the implants thread is mostly by people who didn't read past the title of the post, let's discuss this counter-proposal. This would address the new-player issues that can be caused by implants while not affecting any of you crusty old veterans. By simply making jump clone standings less of a grind, or by increasing awareness of some excellent services like Estel Arador we could help keep newbies from falling into the following trap:

(from my post in the other thread)


With all the complaining that happens about EVE players who don't/won't PVP ... this would help lower one of those mental obstacles for new pilots to head out there and get blown up. All we have to do is help provide some additional awareness of jump clone services.

Removing learning implants is not enough, attributes should be removed altogether. Set training speed 2700 for everyone!

i love this slippery slope nonsense

keep it up npc alts

12hr jump clones? what next? orcs and elves?!

This is an epic idea. Even just a +2 would be rad. It would really encourage people moving from the safety of high sec to low sec and spread the eve population a bit more then it is. Plus it will be super fun for us gatecampers

I would totally like that. Probably prone to all sorts of abuse, but the concept is sound.

I agree and just do not understand why this was implemented in the first place at game release, as well as just letting the points accrued over time incase you forgot or decided at the moment your skill plan was done until suddenly you got that new interest in another racial line so you could dump the points in at anytime (you did pay for the time to play game, that should include the thirty days of SP which is alloted at the end of the old billing cycle when it renews into the next one).

But what ever, if it needs to be harsh so be it. No more clones, no more medical insurance, full character death with a back up that has less SP then before you died (same amount loss in this version of EVE as when your clone was not up to date in the current version) and your pod goes down with the ship which causes SP loss (kind of like a T3, but any ship but rookies and shuttles). Blam! There goes Battleship 5....BLAM! There went large turret 5...BLAM! Opps, next to go is battlecruiser skill. You basicly lose SP the more aggressive you are if you win, the more risk adverse you are the higher it will go until you lose a ship through any of the standard ways. Would be ******* awesome, highrisk and now everyone is at equal risk of losing something of value more then isk (cause you can't replace lost time )

Or we stay with the standard model, increase the faction requirements to 9.95 + at least 7 with an empire faction, 30 days between clone jumps, tripple medical clone costs starting at the 20m SP mark and 10x the cost of the sub 20m grades, and Rorqs + SC give unlimited clone jumps because they are player controlled....with 5% of your SP lost between jumps (since you didn't bother to use the free and more riskless NPC). Hehe, more risky and more grindy. Need to make EVE even more grindy then mission bountie ticks and killmail bleeps

It's not sound at all.

Remove the timer entirely, it doesn't add anything to the game.

Well the current system just leads to people not pvp'ing as they're so busy trying to catch up and not wanting to lose that extra sp/hour, evemon is an addictive game.