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Adaptive Resistence Plating vs Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
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Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-05 15:29:00 UTC
A couple of noob questions here to hopefully avoid buying doubles of stuff that i dont need. Shocked

1. Do Adaptive Resistence Plates and Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane penalize each other?

2. Are there specific advantages/disadavantages to one over the other besides the cpu draw of the energized?

3. Is there anyway to get passive armor regen?

4. Is the 60% structural resistence of the Damage Control II modules in adition to the 15% armor and 12.5% shield resists?

I am new obviously and I find the search engine to be less than adequete so, any feed back on any one or all questions would be greatly appreciated.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-05 15:35:31 UTC
1. yes
2. "energized" nets you higher resist bonuses assuming equal meta level
3. no
4. yes

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#3 - 2012-05-05 15:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
1. Yes, anything which affects the same attribute, or resistance, is punished by diminishing returns after the attribute or resistance reaches a certain point.

2. Energized gives higher resists

3. No.

4. Yes, Damage controls affect shield, armor, and structure

edit: damn my verbosity

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-05 15:37:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
helpful post

who are you and what have you done to Andski?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2012-05-05 15:39:57 UTC
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
A couple of noob questions here to hopefully avoid buying doubles of stuff that i dont need. Shocked

1. Do Adaptive Resistence Plates and Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane penalize each other?

2. Are there specific advantages/disadavantages to one over the other besides the cpu draw of the energized?

3. Is there anyway to get passive armor regen?

4. Is the 60% structural resistence of the Damage Control II modules in adition to the 15% armor and 12.5% shield resists?

I am new obviously and I find the search engine to be less than adequete so, any feed back on any one or all questions would be greatly appreciated.

1. Yes, all resistance modules do (except suitcases, but that's why they're awsome and why you can only have one of them).
2. The plates give you lower resists.
3. No.
4. Yes. All three bonuses are in effect at all time as long as the module is turned on.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-05 15:45:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
2. The plates give you lower resists.


i see your glass is half-empty

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Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-05 16:03:38 UTC
Thanks to everyone for the replies, very helpfulBig smile
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-05 16:09:58 UTC
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It clears allot of things up.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#9 - 2012-05-05 16:52:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Tippia wrote:
2. The plates give you lower resists.


i see your glass is half-empty


My glass is neither full or empty. It isn't rose colored either.

Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes.

I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2012-05-05 16:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ocih wrote:
Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes.

I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now.
You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called “adaptive”.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#11 - 2012-05-05 17:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes.

I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now.
You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called “adaptive”.


No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming.

EHP 14,000
Alpha strike from wing 3: 70,000 HP.

No need to adapt anymore.

- If these read damage and adapt to alpha strike, it will be of some benefit. It will become the new preferential fit for Carriers.
An Adaptive fit, Doomsday proof Archon or Thanatos might actually be possible.
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-05 17:18:53 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes.

I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now.
You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called “adaptive”.


No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming.

EHP 14,000
Alpha strike from wing 3: 70,000 HP.

No need to adapt anymore.



I hope not to be anywhere near 70,000 dps anytime soon. So no need to say more. By the way, is that damage per second , as reflected in my fitting tab, or is it damage per shot?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2012-05-05 17:18:53 UTC
Ocih wrote:
No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming.
No you aren't, because no they don't. They are just weaker, more easily-fitted EANMs (which are also “adaptive”).
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#14 - 2012-05-05 17:31:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming.
No you aren't, because no they don't. They are just weaker, more easily-fitted EANMs (which are also “adaptive”).


Tippia is right. I was seeing a new adaptive plate they talked about at fanfest. One that adjusts to whenever damage is being tossed at you.

For you, energized will use CPU where as the standard adaptive won't. No Armor tank has CPU shortage so most go with Energized adaptives. Can they be stacked? 'Penalty is on effect" so no, they can't. Stacking penalty also happens with Rigs and fit. If you want to use multiples I'd suggest one Energized adaptive and then niche based on your hole. So if you have a weakness in Explosive, add an Adaptive and an Explosive.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#15 - 2012-05-05 17:33:18 UTC
Alexander Eisenhower wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes.

I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now.
You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called “adaptive”.


No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming.

EHP 14,000
Alpha strike from wing 3: 70,000 HP.

No need to adapt anymore.



I hope not to be anywhere near 70,000 dps anytime soon. So no need to say more. By the way, is that damage per second , as reflected in my fitting tab, or is it damage per shot?


Alpha Strike is damge of first volley, whether from one ship or all ships in a fleet firing at roughly the same time. For highsec purposes, alpha is the shot that triggers Concord response and gets you blown up bare seconds later, so you better make it good. Strictly related to suicide ganking.

Whether it is damage per second or not depends entirely on the ship and fit. For some ships guns only fire once every 10-14 seconds or so, while others fire much more rapidly. Alpha is simply the first shot.
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-05 17:34:52 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Andski wrote:
Tippia wrote:
2. The plates give you lower resists.


i see your glass is half-empty


My glass is neither full or empty. It isn't rose colored either.

Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes.

I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now.


No, the other posters in the thread said the energized ones give better resis-

you know what, nevermind. talking to a rock is a waste of time.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2012-05-05 18:32:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
No, the other posters in the thread said the energized ones give better resis-

you know what, nevermind. talking to a rock is a waste of time.
To clarify: I said resistance plates give lower resists; the others who answered said that EANMs give higher resists. I'm saying the glass is half-empty; they're saying the glass is half-full.

Patience, Andski, patience.
JamesCLK
#18 - 2012-05-05 19:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: JamesCLK
It is also worth noting that the Tech 2 Resistance Platings give better resistance bonuses than the named (meta 1-4) Energized Membranes.
As you only need "Hull Upgrades IV" to fit both Tech 2 Dammage Control Units (DCU) and Tech 2 Resistance Platings, as well as to train the 'Resistance Compensation' skills, these modules and skills are widely considered the "minimum" for armour tanking.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-05 19:14:15 UTC
Andski wrote:


you know what, nevermind. talking to a rock is a waste of time.

Annnnnnd,we're back after slight interruption.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#20 - 2012-05-05 20:55:39 UTC
I would like to point out, contrary to the misinformed beliefs of others in this thread, that I have tested these modules and they DO NOT suffer from stacking penalty, making them an extremely effective alternative to EANM, and possibly the "new" Damage Control once the T2 version is available. No armor tank will go without one.
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