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Wouldnt want ppl to think there was balance or anything...

Except you're ignoring the severe geographical limitation of tech income and the organization of its extraction. The vast majority of nullsec players don't see a mentionable income from moons because almost all the value goes into the tech bottleneck which is limited mostly to 7 out of 40 possible regions, with a little reserved for neodymium. Furthermore, moons are usually only an incentive for content-generators because they are easy to control at an executive level, unlike pve content which has to go through the base level player. The only reason any nullsec grunt sees any real moon money is because goons run their alliance and coalition in a way that is genberally focused on the enjoyment of the line member, and not the content-generating elite.

Moons do not in any way make up for an imbalance in reward for the average line nullsec member. Fortunately, CCP has also recognized this and are intending to make more of moon value directly accessible to the average nullsec players who are actually in space playing the game through ring mining.

Actually glad to see this. I have nothing against "null-sec" in and of itself, and doing things to improve life for the grunts who do decide to live there isn't a bad thing at all.

look at you thinking that wardecs are even a problem for nullsec alliances

If the old memory is still working, didn't Soundwave:

- Despise the Learning skill tree and get it removed?

- Considered agents of different aspects (advisory, courier, mining, security, etc.) and their quality system to be quite confusing and had it simplified?

- Apparently during this last sausage fest, one of the female CCP employees pointed out some high sec players in attendance and he became irate?

- Now wants to alter the data core system into something from a lore point of view makes no sense?

One man altering machine at CCP - whatever he wants, he gets so seems pointless to debate anything.

Again, moons will never solve the problem of base-level content being more lucrative in hisec relative to the risk and effort, ever.

The base level gameplay of undocking by yourself or with a few friends to shoot rats or roids and make a few bucks has to be significantly more lucrative in low, null, and whs. That's it. End of story. Moons are about organizational incentives and large scale conflict driving, but absolutely meaningless without that base level of balance.

I sympathize; it always sucks to have something and then have it taken away instead of just never having it. However, a basic reduction in pve hisec income is happening as a necessary element in a game-wide rebalancing of incentives and risk/reward ratios. I don't think anyone can say for certain whether this general direction of rebalancing that the lead game designer has envisioned for the game will significantly improve it, but it is happening. This new (old) vision for the game will be enacted for better or worse, so people might as well accept it, and then wait for the results.

I hope it works. I believe it can work. I believe it is based on sound principles. All we can do now is wait and see.

Making the 0.0 vs lvl 4 argument stronger.



makes no sense?

Significantly more lucrative, accounting for effort and risk.

If you think it already is, great. CCP Soundwave disagrees.

I know he does, and I am saying he is wrong.

Nerfing high sec pve, will not make people do more pve in null and low, because.. people dont go to low and null to pve.
It will only stop newer players from beefing their wallets before they dare going into low and null, discouraging new players to venture there because they don't have the piggybank to lose ships.

Putting datacores into low sec or fw will not make industrial high sec players all of a sudden wish to do pvp, those that want to pvp are already doing it.

To make nul sec and high sec more attractive, they have to fix low and null sec, plain and simple.
Messing about with things that arent broken is not going to fix those things that have been broken in other areas of the game for ages.

And now you're regurgitating an argument that I have said is blatantly false from personal experience. You have grunt nullsec players moving their base income-making to hisec to then go back to nullsec to fight. They like the mechanics of nullsec conflict, but it is relatively better for them to make money in hisec. That is fact. That is what a nerf to hisec income does. It moves the generation of income into the regions that people want to play in because that creates even better content for those regions, making both the gameplay itself and the income incentives a bigger draw for more players.

Nobody cares about the people who will never leave hisec under any circumstances. They don't compute into any of these balancing calculations. However, saying that everyone is where they are and will stay there for ever regardless of incentives or the effect of incentives on gameplay itself is blatantly false.