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Always going to be greif but why do we log into eve?
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Whitehound
#21 - 2012-05-05 13:53:01 UTC
Sandra Vellocet wrote:
What you do in RL is irrelevant, insecure nerds who were bullied in school have their chance in EVE to walk over to the school yard/eve sand pits, be tough and kick the sand castles over of people who they will never meet in real life. It's easy to be tough behind a computer

It does not do anyone harm to blow up space ships. EVE is a good place to make experiences. "White Knights" in RL are only out to cause others real, physical harm and use the weak as an excuse for doing it. It is another form of bullying and only more hidden.

I have seen a guy, who played American Football, do the "White Knight" once. Someone complained about something irrelevant, acted like a jerk, so he walk over to him, picked him up and slammed him onto the pavement. He could have easily broken the guy's back. Nobody said anything about it, which was rather scary, because I thought it was a very brutal assault.

What is annoying is that people do not stand up to these "White Knights", but rather see it as heroism. It is hard to stand up to someone who you know wants to do the right thing, but resorts to violence... One wrong does not right another wrong.

Some of the "White Knights" then learn the truth about their behaviour, if at all, in a hard way. The guy who they beaten up for being drunk sometimes takes his car and runs them over with it. Or worse, they get an automatic gun and start shooting everyone around them... Violence creates violence.

Why we do it is because it is in our nature to be violent and stupid and we want to live it out rather than to suppress it. In EVE does nobody get actually hurt by it and one can live it out to the fullest extend.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-05-05 13:57:27 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
. "White Knights" in RL are only out to cause others real, physical harm and use the weak as an excuse for doing it. It is another form of bullying and only more hidden.
It is hard to stand up to someone who you know wants to do the right thing, but resorts to violence... One wrong does not right another wrong.

Some of the "White Knights" then learn the truth about their behaviour, if at all, in a hard way. The guy who they beaten up for being drunk sometimes takes his car and runs them over with it. Or worse, they get an automatic gun and start shooting everyone around them... Violence creates violence.

Why we do it is because it is in our nature to be violent and stupid and we want to live it out rather than to suppress it. In EVE does nobody get actually hurt by it and one can live it out to the fullest extend.


You *do* know that most of this is bullshit, right?

Hello, hello again.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#23 - 2012-05-05 14:03:44 UTC
Andski wrote:
Stop thinking that "e-honoure" is a thing in this game.


My God, what's the world coming to?
I am agreeing with Andski !

Nothing clever at this time.
Luis Graca
#24 - 2012-05-05 14:06:42 UTC
What no e-honour in my eve?
Whitehound
#25 - 2012-05-05 14:07:11 UTC
Degren wrote:
You *do* know that most of this is bullshit, right?

Be more specific.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-05-05 14:12:41 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
You *do* know that most of this is bullshit, right?

Be more specific.


Resorting to violence is immoral
Two wrongs don't make a right
Suppression of these "urges" is the right thing to do, always.

Some people will never respond to anything other than physical interaction.

That's not opinion, it's been psychologically demonstrated. Stimulus response requires you to be stimulated. If you're not stimulated by someone's words or 'example' ...yup.

Speaking in absolutes rarely applies.

Hello, hello again.
Anslo
Scope Works
#27 - 2012-05-05 14:13:49 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
I think of it like this.

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting.
The other boxer pounds the first guy into oblivion.


You're assuming everyone interprets Eve as a battleground.

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Luis Graca
#28 - 2012-05-05 14:15:02 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
I think of it like this.

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting.
The other boxer pounds the first guy into oblivion.


You're assuming everyone interprets Eve as a battleground.



Eve is a sandbox if you don't like deal with it
Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2012-05-05 14:16:23 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
I think of it like this.

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting.
The other boxer pounds the first guy into oblivion.


You're assuming everyone interprets Eve as a battleground.



Eve is a sandbox if you don't like deal with it


A sandbox, not a battleground. His interpretation and illustration is flawed. If he had used a better logical illustration and interpretation, I'd have let it go. Cool Deal with it.

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Luis Graca
#30 - 2012-05-05 14:18:20 UTC
ho god a burocrat Ugh
Bart Wart
#31 - 2012-05-05 14:20:09 UTC
The problem isn't e-honor, or lack there of, but rather e-materialism. E-materialism is the real root of all suffering in EVE.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-05-05 14:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Luis Graca wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
I think of it like this.

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting.
The other boxer pounds the first guy into oblivion.


You're assuming everyone interprets Eve as a battleground.



Eve is a sandbox if you don't like deal with it


Then here...

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting. The other boxer sits down and does it, too. They start constantly looking over their shoulders at the other boxer, trying to take as many short cuts as possible to beat him in this knitting contest that no one really cares about. They knit scarves and ****. Some other boxer comes out of nowhere and tries to steal the scarves, but the rope gets in his way. So he throws them some money and they put their money on the ropes, and pay a small token fee to have the rope automatically lowered to him. A fourth boxer comes up and does the same, but buys more and takes them to another ring. A fifth boxer comes out of nowhere and punches the fourth boxer in the face and takes the scarves, then uses them to fight the third boxer. The third boxer runs off and uses the scarves to slap around some punching bags, which start randomly dropping money, which he takes back to buy a better scarf to beat the punching bags with some more, constantly on the look out for that fifth boxer. The fifth boxer is out with some friends trying to find more people like the fourth boxer. They're the only ones actually having any fun, the rest are just kind of doing it to make more money to possibly make more money to possibly make more money to possibly make more money to possibly make more money to maybe one day be relevant to maybe one day not be forgettable to maybe one day possibly make more money to possibly make more money. Meanwhile a sixth boxer is just sitting there wondering why no one will fight him one on one.

Then theres a miner somewhere in there, but no one cares.

Hello, hello again.
Anslo
Scope Works
#33 - 2012-05-05 14:22:54 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
ho god a burocrat Ugh

bureaucrat* Is that really the extent of your ability to debate?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#34 - 2012-05-05 14:26:51 UTC
I don't get why you're complaining OP, when you could simply take your real-life attitude, apply it to the game (go around punishing us bad guys), and create game content in the process. Everyone would be a winner that way.

Also, it doesn't matter at all what you are in real life when we talk about online interaction. The Internet (capital "I") is a meta universe. Sure, some things like store purchases tie into real life directly, but video games and forum posts don't. Intellect becomes king, and the people you so easily "handle" in real life can, and will, stomp all over you unless you learn an entirely new set of skills, and there's nothing you can do about it short of pulling the ethernet cable out. The online world is the great equalizer; a chance for everyone to start on the same level, and have a shot at the same opportunities.

It seems to me that the only reason you are against virtual game violence is because you are terrible at adapting to the rules it abides by, and don't have the benefit of your meaty neck to help you out.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Luis Graca
#35 - 2012-05-05 14:28:00 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
ho god a burocrat Ugh

bureaucrat* Is that really the extent of your ability to debate?


Sorry if my language is not english if don't like honestly i don't care
Anslo
Scope Works
#36 - 2012-05-05 14:35:27 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
ho god a burocrat Ugh

bureaucrat* Is that really the extent of your ability to debate?


Sorry if my language is not english if don't like honestly i don't care



Then don't try to verbally engage someone in a retort if you are not capable of doing it in that person's said language.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-05-05 14:44:56 UTC
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
I'm putting a gun to my head the next time I see the word "greif".

*reads own sentence*

oh shi... *BOOM*


Does this mean if we were to post that word we would be banned for trying to incite this?

...TOPICAL HUMOR!

Hello, hello again.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#38 - 2012-05-05 14:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Degren wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Degren wrote:
You *do* know that most of this is bullshit, right?

Be more specific.


Resorting to violence is immoral
Two wrongs don't make a right
Suppression of these "urges" is the right thing to do, always.

Some people will never respond to anything other than physical interaction.

That's not opinion, it's been psychologically demonstrated. Stimulus response requires you to be stimulated. If you're not stimulated by someone's words or 'example' ...yup.

Speaking in absolutes rarely applies.


Yes as ppl do in game what they do in real life... I have a quote about that thats funny

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Whitehound
#39 - 2012-05-05 14:52:18 UTC
Degren wrote:
Resorting to violence is immoral
Two wrongs don't make a right
Suppression of these "urges" is the right thing to do, always.

Some people will never respond to anything other than physical interaction.

That's not opinion, it's been psychologically demonstrated. Stimulus response requires you to be stimulated. If you're not stimulated by someone's words or 'example' ...yup.

Speaking in absolutes rarely applies.

It still is not your problem. You only fail to walk away. Just wait and see. One day you get involved in the wrong fight and both sides who first fought each other will both turn against you. And some are then not able to forgive you for getting involved, because you helped the wrong side and they will come after you in ways you have not yet seen.

You think you can judge and punish people, because you are stronger or braver than others. You are however not a judge nor do you posses the right to punish anyone, and you can get in jail for it.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#40 - 2012-05-05 14:52:58 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
ho god a burocrat Ugh

bureaucrat* Is that really the extent of your ability to debate?


Sorry if my language is not english if don't like honestly i don't care



Then don't try to verbally engage someone in a retort if you are not capable of doing it in that person's said language.



Bah, your ego got smashed, for not being able to see another language. Then subsequently tried to correct the spelling of a language you obviously didn't know. Who cares what language is spoken. If you cant read it. Then simply ignore it.


moron.