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Soundwave, a challenge for you

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#41 - 2012-05-05 02:34:36 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
...aaaaand ccp souncwave has already kindly informed that the information OP presents is not valid and that r&d agents will still continue to feed RP and datacores as before. The RP will get slight nerf and some small isk fee will be added. Datacores will also be seeded to FW LP stores where you can buy them with LP+some isk.

-End of topic-


Ah, let's see.
RP cut in half.
Add an extra Isk cost for datacores.

Nah, you are right, that i a slight nerf.
Effectvly they are moving datacore gathering over to FW.
Let's face it. When you get even less per agent woth of datacores then the time you have yo invest to get the skills, standings and agents isn't even worth it anymore.
You can get it much easier going the pew pew way.
And that is the bottom line it's all about.

This isn't about free Isk. It's not even a substantial ammount of Isk one can make off of datacores.

Let's call it just like it is. Another nerf biased towards getting people to move towards low and null sec.

Instead of making the whole sov system more dynamic it's much easier for Soundwave to take the easy road to mess up a part of the game in order to get some more action going on in low sec.
It doesn't require rocketscience that people who make roughly 291 mill tops over 3 characters per month with maxed skills for R&D to just drop it.
It's more than just get agents and that part Soundwave just plainly ignores.

If that is some incentive he got from others at CCP or his "former" bedbuddies I leave in the middle.

But the fact is that more and more people are silently agreeing that Soundwave does seem to have more of an appreciation for a certain playstyle and will look upon it with more favour.

Now if that seemingly partiallity is something which serves the company is a second thing.

But the taint is there and I have heard and seen more people rumor about it.

Sadly enough you can't really let Internal Affairs take a look at it because they are on the same payroll as all the other employees. And we certainly can't use another T20 incident.
So I expect my post to get removed because tinfoil is ok, but tinfoil hinting into certain directions isn't wanted.

My expected bantime I will use to dig a bit more. Maybe I will use it to put out more thoughts. Who knows.

But like the saying goes.
If it quaks like a duck, looks like a duck and walks like a duck you can be fairly certain it ain't a chicken.




What is wrong with a faction wanting you to die for it before they give you the keys to their expensive tech?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-05-05 02:36:48 UTC
ok, mining should be about half, level 4 missioning about half of anoming, incursions a little under anoms.

there

now some evidence for your supposed conspiracy to make hisec income zero and drive everyone into nullsec or out of the game, please and thank you


Vince Snetterton
#43 - 2012-05-05 02:40:07 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
ok, mining should be about half, level 4 missioning about half of anoming, incursions a little under anoms.

there

now some evidence for your supposed conspiracy to make hisec income zero and drive everyone into nullsec or out of the game, please and thank you




Say what?

Numbers. Is it really that difficult for you?
Vince Snetterton
#44 - 2012-05-05 02:41:27 UTC
Screw it. Enough wasting my time with you.
Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#45 - 2012-05-05 02:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Orca
Vince Snetterton wrote:


Oh, I see, so a new character should immediately be wealthy and immediately jump into trading?
And what about all the other high sec players that choose not to or cannot trade?

What pray tell, should they do?
Once again, give me a number.


You're changing the question.

You need not be wealthy to trade, nor do you need any large amount of SP to trade. I believe I once read somewhere that a player managed to make a billion ISK on a day 1 character in like 22 hours or something obscenely short, exclusively through tradeing. If you do not believe me, you should read Greedy Goblins blog. He's a bit of an idiot when it comes to all things EVE, but he has a pretty good guide on how a new player can start up trading very quickly.

I fail to see how someone is incapable of trading, considering it takes very little time and effort, just a little thinking ahead. Those who choose to not trade, obviously must have some sort of soft cap to the amount they make.

As for what they should do, well that's fairly obvious. They should do whatever they want. This is EVE, after all.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-05-05 02:43:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Tickles
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Say what?

Numbers. Is it really that difficult for you?


mining 15m an hour, level 4s 15m an hour, incursions 30m an hour

there, i threw out some rough numbers for you

now, please, the evidence for this grand conspiracy of yours, even the slightest bit
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-05-05 02:45:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


CCP Soundwaffe.

End of Story.


If you don't like it leave.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-05-05 02:47:05 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:


But it does not the change the intent of what Soundwave and his other null sec zealot buddies are doing, driving more income from high sec to low / null sec.


Inferno has provided a major buff to empire mining.
Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#49 - 2012-05-05 02:48:23 UTC
Torneach wrote:


I think what he's trying to say is that the amount of money shouldn't be capped at any number. The 'cap' of amount of money a player can earn depends on his profession.

At least I think that's what he's trying to say.... What?

Pretty much.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-05-05 02:54:05 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
How exactly does this benefit the nulls when he stated his purpose was to drive income into low? Everyone is losing the "passive" income, while FW pilots gain.
I'd rather they just took away the passive income, and double the RP when you complete the mission. That way, those actively doing the RP would stay the same, and the others would lose out.
Claiming it in some way benefits null pilots seems dumb though.


Cause Null can move it's capital blob instantly into low and do whatever it wants wherever it wants?

Oh. Did I just say the obvious?

Please resume gibbering.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#51 - 2012-05-05 02:58:03 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
How exactly does this benefit the nulls when he stated his purpose was to drive income into low? Everyone is losing the "passive" income, while FW pilots gain.
I'd rather they just took away the passive income, and double the RP when you complete the mission. That way, those actively doing the RP would stay the same, and the others would lose out.
Claiming it in some way benefits null pilots seems dumb though.


Cause Null can move it's capital blob instantly into low and do whatever it wants wherever it wants?

Oh. Did I just say the obvious?

Please resume gibbering.


Why do you think an alliance would bother to dedicate and risk it's capital fleet for some data cores? It'd be a huge risk for very little reward.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#52 - 2012-05-05 13:31:01 UTC
To all the Nerds and Bee Pubbies who cry that datacores are free ISK.

Try to seriously farm them firt before shooting off your mouth about how unfair it is that people spend time and Isk to be bale to farm them and then have to invest time into picking them up and bringing them to places where they actually bring in some revenue worth the work put into aquiring them.

And if Soundwave doesn't want to be adressed as Goon then he shoudln't act like one in his ingame plans.

If his idea's are Something Awefull then how the hell do you think people start to wonder if he isn't Something Awefull in the first place.

His whole idea of Gunmining datacores is ****** up.
But heck, what can you expect from a "former" Goon.

Atleast Screegs seems like someone who actually left his Goonpasst in the passt.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#53 - 2012-05-05 13:31:09 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

Why do you think an alliance would bother to dedicate and risk it's capital fleet for some data cores? It'd be a huge risk for very little reward.


Because it contains no risk to hot-drop a cap blob on a small entity trying to get a little piece of the pie.

Nothing clever at this time.

Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#54 - 2012-05-05 13:33:18 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

Why do you think an alliance would bother to dedicate and risk it's capital fleet for some data cores? It'd be a huge risk for very little reward.


Nah, you just want more targets in low sec where you can gank Concord free before hiding back in your Beehive.

Since people weren't willing to play the game your style you used the Batphone a bit more intense and voila, a needed part of the game get's raped so that more people have to gunfam in low sec. More targets for your little ganksquads.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#55 - 2012-05-05 13:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Polly Oxford wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:

Oh, and also for those that don't know, Soundwave was, and most likely still is, goons.
Below is the youtube link of him doing a goon presentation at Fanfest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac





Why are you pubbies outraged about this years after he joined CCP? Also good job insinuating that he leaks stuff to us although you have zero proof.


they have a history of doing it for one
How did you pull down BoB? Infiltraction and dismantlement from within....

HOW many of you guys work there? And Soundwave is what again?

Darth Tickles wrote:
ok, mining should be about half, level 4 missioning about half of anoming, incursions a little under anoms.

there

now some evidence for your supposed conspiracy to make hisec income zero and drive everyone into nullsec or out of the game, please and thank you




Dunno I think them having CCP on speed dial partially does that, and I say hulkageddon till New Years. Then you can see if CCP will do anything. A good chunk of the miners WILL quit once their profession is no longer valid due to in game tactics, and CCP will act (as we saw in summer) when they see subs all.

ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


CCP Soundwaffe.

End of Story.


If you don't like it leave.



amazing idea

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#56 - 2012-05-05 13:40:15 UTC
But it does not the change the intent of what Soundwave and his other null sec zealot buddies are doing, driving more income from high sec to low / null sec.


Inferno has provided a major buff to empire mining.

Oh, is that why the Goons have decided to declare war? Tears?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Polly Oxford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-05 13:46:49 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:

Atleast Screegs seems like someone who actually left his Goonpasst in the passt.



Everyone who watched at least some Fanfest video must find this statement funny. DJ is so much 'goonier' than Stoffer.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#58 - 2012-05-05 13:48:06 UTC
This is great news, excellent changes.

Highsec is broken, the risk/reward is just too attractive so carebears cry when they change something.
They should either increase the risks in highsec, or reduce the rewards.

The Tears Must Flow

Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#59 - 2012-05-05 13:50:54 UTC
Polly Oxford wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:

Atleast Screegs seems like someone who actually left his Goonpasst in the passt.



Everyone who watched at least some Fanfest video must find this statement funny. DJ is so much 'goonier' than Stoffer.




sarcasm



Pronunciation: /ˈsɑːkaz(ə)m/


noun
[mass noun]
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt

I used the Oxford dictionary. Don't know which one the US uses so hope they understand oxford english too.

(fyi before you miss it again. the oxford dictionary thingy is also sarcasm)
Polly Oxford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-05 13:51:35 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Polly Oxford wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:

Oh, and also for those that don't know, Soundwave was, and most likely still is, goons.
Below is the youtube link of him doing a goon presentation at Fanfest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac





Why are you pubbies outraged about this years after he joined CCP? Also good job insinuating that he leaks stuff to us although you have zero proof.


they have a history of doing it for one
How did you pull down BoB? Infiltraction and dismantlement from within....

HOW many of you guys work there? And Soundwave is what again?

Darth Tickles wrote:
ok, mining should be about half, level 4 missioning about half of anoming, incursions a little under anoms.

there

now some evidence for your supposed conspiracy to make hisec income zero and drive everyone into nullsec or out of the game, please and thank you




Dunno I think them having CCP on speed dial partially does that, and I say hulkageddon till New Years. Then you can see if CCP will do anything. A good chunk of the miners WILL quit once their profession is no longer valid due to in game tactics, and CCP will act (as we saw in summer) when they see subs all.


I heard it's generally a great idea to 'destroy' the company you work for.
Everything you don't like about this game is 100% our fault by the way!