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Always going to be greif but why do we log into eve?
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Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-05 08:28:04 UTC
I really like the ideas generated by some pretty intelligent people all coalescing into a very cool game. I play when I feel like missioning, mining, deadspace complexing, scanning, talking with corp mates or just to look at the graphics. One thing I never have logged in specifically to do is give people grief. I am not talking about pvp, thats a part of the game and an integral part at that but I am refering more to the art of yelling at a mirror because its too reflective or in eve online terms, abusing someone in game for not doing the same things as themselves for entirely different reasons due to fact they have different interests/lifestyles etc.

Please forgive me for what I type next lol.

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand. But why the @#$% would I want to spend my time at home relaxing and give people grief in an online game??? Somehow it seems idiotic dealing with very real physical violence day in and day out then want to do it in any unreal sort of way to relax.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2012-05-05 08:41:53 UTC
That's a valid question.

I shoot at player ships and enjoy it, but only if they shoot back. Sometimes in w-space you shoot defenseless noobs in T1 scanning frigs, but that's just something that has to be done, and getting tears convoed afterwards doesn't really feel nice.

Mental reward from killing a guy who tries to kill me just as eagerly is just much larger than what I'd get from killing someone who wants to mine. As a rational being, I aim to maximize the reward I get from time spent playing.

I don't really understand suicide ganking miners and missioners in hisec, unless they are bots. But then on the other hand, people are just different, and ganking certainly doesn't touch my EVE life in any way.





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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#3 - 2012-05-05 08:58:42 UTC
Freggan wrote:
I really like the ideas generated by some pretty intelligent people all coalescing into a very cool game. I play when I feel like missioning, mining, deadspace complexing, scanning, talking with corp mates or just to look at the graphics. One thing I never have logged in specifically to do is give people grief. I am not talking about pvp, thats a part of the game and an integral part at that but I am refering more to the art of yelling at a mirror because its too reflective or in eve online terms, abusing someone in game for not doing the same things as themselves for entirely different reasons due to fact they have different interests/lifestyles etc.

Please forgive me for what I type next lol.

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand. But why the @#$% would I want to spend my time at home relaxing and give people grief in an online game??? Somehow it seems idiotic dealing with very real physical violence day in and day out then want to do it in any unreal sort of way to relax.



You really answered your own question, at the bold underlined. People are not the same. Different things floats different boats. What you find mundane, and not fun, Others will enjoy them.


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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-05 09:01:03 UTC
Roime wrote:
That's a valid question.

I shoot at player ships and enjoy it, but only if they shoot back. Sometimes in w-space you shoot defenseless noobs in T1 scanning frigs, but that's just something that has to be done, and getting tears convoed afterwards doesn't really feel nice.

Mental reward from killing a guy who tries to kill me just as eagerly is just much larger than what I'd get from killing someone who wants to mine. As a rational being, I aim to maximize the reward I get from time spent playing.

I don't really understand suicide ganking miners and missioners in hisec, unless they are bots. But then on the other hand, people are just different, and ganking certainly doesn't touch my EVE life in any way.

Pretty much what I had to say. Different people, different ideals I s'pose.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-05 09:34:15 UTC
Stop thinking that "e-honoure" is a thing in this game.

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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-05 09:36:46 UTC
I log in to chat and write on forums, basically.

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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-05 10:14:59 UTC
There are quite a few research papers and thesis' about online behavior and general behavior and all that fun jazz.

I'm just curious why you are concerning yourself with what others do if you don't do it yourself.

STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR PLAYSTYLE ON ME, BRO

Hello, hello again.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#8 - 2012-05-05 10:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Logging in was your first mistake.

Also its common for MMOs and the internet in general. You can do **** that you generally wouldn't/can't do IRL. For example some where probably picked on in school as a kid, and now they can get their revenge by being a **** to others in a internet spaceship game.

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Whitehound
#9 - 2012-05-05 11:53:20 UTC
What you are saying is that you are an asshat who likes to beat up drunks and brags about it on the Internet. Sure, have my forgiveness. However, know you are a lot worse than kids who blow up Internet space ships.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-05 11:58:36 UTC
I think of it like this.

2 boxers enter a ring. One boxer turns around, sits in a corner and starts knitting.
The other boxer pounds the first guy into oblivion.

It's not like EVE is FTP and we're picking on 2 day old noobs who just started playing. Everyone knows what they are in for and if you don't know what kind of game you signed up for then you only have yourself to blame.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-05 12:05:31 UTC
why do we log in EVE? because in this game there are 2 types of people:

those who explode ships
and those whose ships are exploded




and deep down inside, type 2 to wants to be like type 1

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Whitehound
#12 - 2012-05-05 12:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Grimpak wrote:
why do we log in EVE? because in this game there are 2 types of people:

those who explode ships
and those whose ships are exploded




and deep down inside, type 2 to wants to be like type 1

No. They want to be like type 1 after type 1 exploded their ship and they only want to do it to type 1. And then they want to go back to being type 2 again. Deep down inside is type 1 always full of hate. Type 2 ... only sometimes.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Dapud
#13 - 2012-05-05 12:18:34 UTC
Freggan wrote:

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand


I just threw up in my mouth. White knight much? You and your kind make me physically ill.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-05 12:19:58 UTC
Dapud wrote:
I just threw up in my mouth. White knight much? You and your kind make me physically ill.


Just quoting cause I like your name.

You can pronounce it the same way backwards and forwards!

Hello, hello again.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-05 12:48:37 UTC
Dapud wrote:
Freggan wrote:

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand


I just threw up in my mouth. White knight much? You and your kind make me physically ill.



I just threw up in your moms mouth, but to answer the question


This game is pretty similar to dungeons and dragons in that it allows people to be something they are not.

If you have a demanding life then you play a game like this to relax.

But

If you have very little going on in your life then you can devote endless hours to mattering in this medium when you dont really matter in real life.

To answer the OP every professional tough guy ive ever met in real life is normally quite gentle as they have nothing to prove to anyone. You may fall into that category as a bouncer. Everyone ive ever met in this game in vent etc who is solely a griefer is either a no mark or works in IT (self diagnosed Aspie)

Its horses for course although i am labeling people into broad categories myself :)
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-05-05 12:56:26 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
why do we log in EVE? because in this game there are 2 types of people:

those who explode ships
and those whose ships are exploded




and deep down inside, type 2 to wants to be like type 1

No. They want to be like type 1 after type 1 exploded their ship and they only want to do it to type 1. And then they want to go back to being type 2 again. Deep down inside is type 1 always full of hate. Type 2 ... only sometimes.

well... yeah there's that route too.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Pres Crendraven
#17 - 2012-05-05 13:08:31 UTC
It seems you are bringing your work home with you. You've found a place where there are drinks before and after work. Some very, some not so much, some throwing up in their mouth..Unfortunately, Eve s a good place to attract white knights but our tools for Solo work are two limited. For most if us, Eve is an extension of ourselves.

I'd say your in the right place, a familiar environment.

Meta34me

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Sandra Vellocet
Extended Industries
#18 - 2012-05-05 13:13:19 UTC
Freggan wrote:
I really like the ideas generated by some pretty intelligent people all coalescing into a very cool game. I play when I feel like missioning, mining, deadspace complexing, scanning, talking with corp mates or just to look at the graphics. One thing I never have logged in specifically to do is give people grief. I am not talking about pvp, thats a part of the game and an integral part at that but I am refering more to the art of yelling at a mirror because its too reflective or in eve online terms, abusing someone in game for not doing the same things as themselves for entirely different reasons due to fact they have different interests/lifestyles etc.

Please forgive me for what I type next lol.

For too many years I have joyfully thrown drunk idiots out of pubs, defended anyone/everyone from bullies in a very physical sort of way that only they seem to understand. But why the @#$% would I want to spend my time at home relaxing and give people grief in an online game??? Somehow it seems idiotic dealing with very real physical violence day in and day out then want to do it in any unreal sort of way to relax.


What you do in RL is irrelevant, insecure nerds who were bullied in school have their chance in EVE to walk over to the school yard/eve sand pits, be tough and kick the sand castles over of people who they will never meet in real life. It's easy to be tough behind a computer
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-05 13:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Great idea for the griefed: vote with your wallet. If anything this summer showed, see what they do not what they say was in full effect and when ppl started leaving, ccp started giving a ****. till then they wont.

Andski wrote:
Stop thinking that "e-honoure" is a thing in this game.


post on ur main Mittens...

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#20 - 2012-05-05 13:39:22 UTC
I'm putting a gun to my head the next time I see the word "greif".

*reads own sentence*

oh shi... *BOOM*
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