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New War Dec Prices on Test

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Kriegman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-05-05 02:00:56 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Xolve wrote:

sperge


The fact that Goonswarm and TEST are some of the main ones leading the charge that war decs are "unfair" says otherwise about the so-called not caring about war decs.


Do you have any specific examples as to why we would give a damn about wardecs? Other than catching noobs and idiots that undock their Badger II from jita 4-4, you make no difference to us. In fact I would prefer that entire empire would wardec us so we could roam to highsec and murder you all on regular basis without having to deal with the concord.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#62 - 2012-05-05 02:06:59 UTC
Kriegman wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Xolve wrote:

sperge


The fact that Goonswarm and TEST are some of the main ones leading the charge that war decs are "unfair" says otherwise about the so-called not caring about war decs.


Do you have any specific examples as to why we would give a damn about wardecs? Other than catching noobs and idiots that undock their Badger II from jita 4-4, you make no difference to us. In fact I would prefer that entire empire would wardec us so we could roam to highsec and murder you all on regular basis without having to deal with the concord.


For starters, the fact that you just wrote me a whole paragraph stating how much you don't care and continually feel the need to voice your opinion on war dec game mechanics and how they should be changed. It seems to me the only person you're trying to convince that you don't care about war decs is yourself.
Kriegman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-05-05 02:16:36 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Kriegman wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Xolve wrote:

sperge


The fact that Goonswarm and TEST are some of the main ones leading the charge that war decs are "unfair" says otherwise about the so-called not caring about war decs.


Do you have any specific examples as to why we would give a damn about wardecs? Other than catching noobs and idiots that undock their Badger II from jita 4-4, you make no difference to us. In fact I would prefer that entire empire would wardec us so we could roam to highsec and murder you all on regular basis without having to deal with the concord.


For starters, the fact that you just wrote me a whole paragraph stating how much you don't care and continually feel the need to voice your opinion on war dec game mechanics and how they should be changed. It seems to me the only person you're trying to convince that you don't care about war decs is yourself.


:palmface You win, have some brawndo, it got electrolytes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbxq0IDqD04
Troll Gremlin
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-05-05 02:32:00 UTC
50m is to much, but a good highsec wardecing corp can still make that up from ransoming and droped loot. But this will kill the small wardecing corps out there as only the biger hardcore corps can make profit off it.
If ppl wanna stop wardecing then u should also stop suicide ganking, scaming and just turn eve into a pve game....Cry
As far as big alliance nullsec wardecing whats the point of wardecing in nullsec anyways?
Wardecing is for highsec piracy and merc's, most ppl don't wardec just to pvp with another corp as most pvp corps r pirates or in nullsec.
Dreadmon
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#65 - 2012-05-05 03:12:28 UTC
Needs more work ccp. super bad if it takes bill's to WD big alli's
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-05-05 03:29:19 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:


For starters, the fact that you just wrote me a whole paragraph stating how much you don't care and continually feel the need to voice your opinion on war dec game mechanics and how they should be changed. It seems to me the only person you're trying to convince that you don't care about war decs is yourself.



I'm not the one trying to rally the forums because 50m is expensive.

Pinky I know you, all the points you're attempting to half-ass present here are all terrible; Nobody gives a **** about Empire space, there are no 'good fights' in empire space, and I really don't care how buttmad you get about CCP pulling your card to shoot at industrials and noobships relatively ISK free.

Neutral Logi doesn't affect me, or anyone else in my coalition really; what GoonSwarm petitioned or did not petition about in regards to -A-, or THORNE, or whoever that other Alliance was that was using Neutral Logistics and dragging aggression from one party to another comes down to minute details about game mechanics most of us could careless about.

The fact that your Alliance was formed in one big fit of rage because your incompetant CEO at the time couldn't take a verbal lashing from an Alliance Officer in The 0rphanage says alot about you and your organization. I'm sure you will have alot to say in rebuttal to this, but honestly, who cares.

Fly Dangerous (lol get it)

-Aerion/Xolve
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-05-05 03:32:19 UTC
Troll Gremlin wrote:
50m is to much, but a good highsec wardecing corp can still make that up from ransoming and droped loot. But this will kill the small wardecing corps out there as only the biger hardcore corps can make profit off it.
If ppl wanna stop wardecing then u should also stop suicide ganking, scaming and just turn eve into a pve game....Cry
As far as big alliance nullsec wardecing whats the point of wardecing in nullsec anyways?
Wardecing is for highsec piracy and merc's, most ppl don't wardec just to pvp with another corp as most pvp corps r pirates or in nullsec.


It won't ruin High Sec war decs, it will just force you to fight people that actually frequent empire space to fight.

It might actually make you do something more productive then sit on a gate/station in insta-ships whoring onto killmails.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-05-05 08:28:53 UTC
Xolve, *we* care about wardecs. If you don't, then feel free to leave the thread. I mean, really, why are you in the thread if you actually don't care? Do you also go into ice cream shops, stand in line, and tell the dude that you don't give a **** about ice cream and don't want any? Because that's what you just did here, by posting in this thread.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#69 - 2012-05-05 14:33:30 UTC
Xolve wrote:
It might actually make you do something more productive then sit on a gate/station in insta-ships whoring onto killmails.
Sup sup guys.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !

Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-05-05 17:42:42 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Xolve, *we* care about wardecs. If you don't, then feel free to leave the thread. I mean, really, why are you in the thread if you actually don't care? Do you also go into ice cream shops, stand in line, and tell the dude that you don't give a **** about ice cream and don't want any? Because that's what you just did here, by posting in this thread.


Because they are talking about how they will not be able to wardec TEST/Goons primarily, because, you know, they accomplish a whole lot when they do.


Reppyk wrote:
Xolve wrote:
It might actually make you do something more productive then sit on a gate/station in insta-ships whoring onto killmails.
Sup sup guys.


There's backstory behind that; try harder next time, and maybe find a ship I didn't lose on purpose.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-05-05 17:51:16 UTC
The point isn't that people want to dec TEST/Goons (although some do), but rather that the dec shield will remain alive and well, and just in another form.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-05-05 18:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Psychotic Monk wrote:
The point isn't that people want to dec TEST/Goons (although some do), but rather that the dec shield will remain alive and well, and just in another form.


The problem here is, CCP although they won't admit it, has an interest in the Empire Carebear way of life, if they neglect them too much it will cost them subscriptions from those that actually enjoy mining and running missions... you know those people who are a complete mystery to the people who post here.

On the other hand, CCP also has a really vested interest in NullSec, because neglecting them can summon forth the rage of a few thousand screaming idiots (as seen in the not so distant past) and can result in the 'death slope' of their subscription base.

If you want to be a bastard, and burn everything to the ground; move to Low-Sec its the last bastion of true EvE 'no fucks given' space; and besides CCP has been shitting on that part of the game for years.


Edit: Also- I remember once upon a time, being in Ad0pt and spending 5-10b ISK a week on war dec fees, so its not that you guys don't have the money, its just that you want as many targets as possible for as little as possible (which I can understand) but unfortunately that cookie is being taken away; You will just have to pick your poisons more carefully.

(I also don't remember many pvp alliances in Empire numbering in the multiple thousands- so I don't see how this is a huge deal)
Eryn Velasquez
#73 - 2012-05-05 18:09:45 UTC
Troll Gremlin wrote:
50m is to much,


No, it's cheap. For a corp it should not take more than 30 minutes, to earn enough to wardec more than 1 opponent.

But still i think, it's wrong to calculate on the membercount, it should depend more on the kills of the members.

If a corp with 1000+ kills on their kb want to dec an R&D or industrial corp with only a handfull on theirs, the price increase should be calculated on the difference between the kills.

This would make it cheaper to wardec corps which fight, and more expensive to dec corps that won't.

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _

Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-05-05 18:24:35 UTC
You know ... I like these changes ... Sure the numbers could be tweaked abit but in general wardec shouldnt cost pennies ...


I especially do love it how the elite "mercs" are crying tears about how the industrial corp they plan to grief can tag their military wing to help without added cost. As they should be able to !

Absolutely marvellous and makes rl-sense.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-05-05 19:31:02 UTC
TEST/Goons take this game way too seriously and send an inordinate amount of time posturing apathy on the forums.

The funny part is how they think spending effort on appearing "not to care" will work.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-05-05 20:25:11 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
TEST/Goons take this game way too seriously and send an inordinate amount of time posturing apathy on the forums.

The funny part is how they think spending effort on appearing "not to care" will work.


Oh please let me express my great concern for anything that happens in Empire space, literally anything.

Funny how NPC Corp Alts have a vested interest in TEST or GoonSwarm alliance tags, and any member of those alliances that choose to post something on the forums absolutely must be speaking for the entire alliance. How presumptuous.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#77 - 2012-05-05 20:36:06 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
TEST/Goons take this game way too seriously and send an inordinate amount of time posturing apathy on the forums.

The funny part is how they think spending effort on appearing "not to care" will work.


Oh please let me express my great concern for anything that happens in Empire space, literally anything.

Funny how NPC Corp Alts have a vested interest in TEST or GoonSwarm alliance tags, and any member of those alliances that choose to post something on the forums absolutely must be speaking for the entire alliance. How presumptuous.


Bro, you're the one who has made 5 out of 16 posts on this page alone in a thread about the future of highsec war dec pricing at the time of my posting. You're the one resorting to keep irrelevant personal attacks and responses to things people never said in an obvious attempt to derail the thread and stir up people to respond to you. Like Psychotic Monk said, if you really don't care as much as you claim to, just stop posting in this thread and let people who still care about war decs to discuss them.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-05-05 20:51:08 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Bro, you're the one who has made 5 out of 16 posts on this page alone in a thread about the future of highsec war dec pricing at the time of my posting. You're the one resorting to keep irrelevant personal attacks and responses to things people never said in an obvious attempt to derail the thread and stir up people to respond to you. Like Psychotic Monk said, if you really don't care as much as you claim to, just stop posting in this thread and let people who still care about war decs to discuss them.



I'm not trolling, I was pointing out the irony of the Empire Elite PvP types complaining about the cost of wardecing Goons, TEST and other large Nullsec entities when you could simply go to Null yourself and shoot them for free. Then again, if you had the balls to do that, then you would either live in Nullsec or roam there actively and not really pay any attention to the change.

I imagine all the bleating and whining you exude here will be about as effective as your 'Save Jita' project.

Also- Never not rage type
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#79 - 2012-05-05 22:31:39 UTC
You dont need a wardec to fight Goonswarm....

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-05-05 22:40:11 UTC
Nobody wants to fight goonswarm at all.

They were using your alliance size as an example of cost scaling for when high sec entities catch on and start to swell in size..