Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But the miners would object if you took away their hulks.

For me there is a big difference in attribute enhancers and hardwirings.

While the need to be competitive is present, cost already extends into other areas like ship fittings and faction/T2/T3 ships. The dynamic of risking more for increased performance is one of the core elements of game play and since hardwirings fit directly into that I don't see an issue. There is also the point that since hardwires provide actual ship performance enhancement they can be purposed for PVP directly, whereas learning implants cannot.

The problem with attribute enhancers in particular is that just replacing them doesn't make up for time spent without them.
Every hour spent with a +3 is worth less SP wise than that same hour with a +4 or +5. And since the effect only becomes more apparent over time we begin to see that cost is only half of the issue, and that the variance in learning is what tends to make attribute enhancers have a greater affect on risk aversion than hardwires.

Implants don't bug me.

I told you so.

You're welcome.

well 8 years ok only 10% of the playerbase supported removing learning at all *I was one of them!* but then after a dev mentioned it oce at fanfest off hand in an interview, by the time it happen most people were in agreement that learning skills had to go. THANK GOD. Do you know how many times I was called a dumbass for wanting CCP to remove learning skills? Being told it was dumbing down the game and so on?

Whatever they said keep fighting for it. Implants giving you bonuses to learning skills a bit faster is kinda dumb, and only follows logic that they should be removed as well. Maybe have more extremes possibilities in the attributes again in return for removing the implants?

I mean, hell, why not. Let us go up to 30 and down to 15. Let players have to make a real choice that they can't change for a whole year. How fast do you want to train what. Maybe even give some of those bloodlines some bonuses to base attributes again. I do miss that.

OP, I think you're 100% justified and you've got my support.

Implants for learning make players want to stay out of danger while they finish up that one last huge skill, before they jump clone out to go fight.

Implants that increase comabt stats obviously promote the player to go out and use those implants in combat, they are useless as long as you dock. But learning implants not only take up slots that could be used to increase your damage output or speed *which is dumb* they work even when your offline. So it's like, if you don't have a set of at least +3's you're just wasting your time. That's really bad design.

So there is one more idea. Maybe learning implants should be instead permanent surgical equipment upgrade that applies to the current and all future clones. That way you still get faster as you make more money and train up skills, but you never have to fear about losing those upgrades?

"i can't join this op, i'm in my expensive learning clone with 10 hours left on the timer!"

Get rid of learning implants.

OR cut down on the time it takes to clone jump. like 3 hours instead of 24

Or the timer. I don't really think removing the timer completely is a good idea, but at a minimum CCP needs to drop it to 12 hours.

My suggestion is CCP needs to find out the amount of time the average person plays per day. I mean really plays, not sits afk in a station. I assume it's going to be around 4-6 hours. Whatever that amount of time is, that should be the length of the JC timer. But that is a thread all its own.

Are learning implants necessary? No.
Do they add to the game? The way I see it, no. I want the game to be more about the nullsec sandbox, and learning implants are (although a small and non imperative) intentive to stay in highsec.

Personally I'd like to see the learning implants go. They are an unnecessary level of complexity in a game that's main issue is it's unnecessary levels of complexity.

Agreed the Jump clones-method is more suitable if you spend prolonged periods in changing occupations. Like when you spend a couple of weeks fighting in Low or Null, then go mining (*gaah*) in High, then play on another account for a couple of weeks while the first one is holed up with maxed implants.

It's all about balancing risk/benefit.

Completely personal choice, of course.