Market Discussions

Just finished reading the latest dev blog, and looked at the most awesome feature in YEARS...

We now got way better features to start considering actual shares and values of our corp. These changes will def make a lot of people more interested in getting ready for actual trading of shares.

We might not have the option to plug it into scc market yet, but I would not rule it out; that ccp is seriously considering this now..

If you havent seen it, and havent noticed to ingame simple calculation of it values and thus passive assets of our NAV, go check out the dev blog NAO!!

The new unified inventory system will show you the current value of the items in your hangar, ship, container, etc. I personally think this was implemented to better flag potential money laundering activity. Some dreamers like Caleb think it is a sign that CCP wants to create more financial controls to help investors. We just humor the poor guy. He is really not well.

well, yeah i think hes high or something... but it would be nice to have some goodies.

Or smoking something. You need to read up on Iceland's idea of a financial system. Seeing Hilmar talk about "storytelling" in that Forbes interview reminds me of roleplaying and how nothing ticks me off more than people who roleplay at finance in Eve.

Actually, that was so average prices on faction items could be determined for the new kill reports.

I didn't see any Dev blog but the new Inventory system is on test server. It isn't giving accurate read outs on there with all the seeds but it works. It allows you to determine a Cargo value as well as hangar asset value. I suppose it will have a Psy-Ops value. 800 mill in that Badger might not look like such a good idea when the number is staring you in the face.

Hey, thanks for typing out exactly what I couldn't be bothered to.

stock price isn't calculated by NAV/Shares.
So your theory is wrong :)
The value of a financial instrument is worth the present value of all future incomes.

Meaning that in order to set a price to a stock you need to assume(guess) how much dividend those shares will pay.
So a small 1B company(NAV) could have a much higher stock price.

Add to that that in eve you don't actually buy a part of the corporation(unlike real life) as there's no problem diluting shares and just making more as long as you have more than 50% of the shares.

There's a need for alot of regulation in order to make it work.
Including things like locking characters that are involved in the stock market so that they can't be transfered anymore, ever.
also maybe a skillpoint limitation to make it more painful.

You must impose A law somehow.

The problems I have seen in EVE related to businesses (especially those on MD) is that they tend to be run, operated, and executed by a limited number of players (employees) within the company. Most of the more recent examples have been single players (with alts) establishing a business for a set purpose and then people investing in that individual.

This makes the investment game about trust in the individual instead of trust in the company. And that type of investment is better suited in a bond form, not an IPO.

Think about this. What if Red Frog Freight held an IPO? I have no idea what they would need the ISK for, but they have proven themselves to be a reliable multi-faceted corporation/business that has a long history of operating with profits over a sustained period of time. Hell, they've even shown they can weather war decs and still deliver on their stated goals.

This would make RFF an excellent candidate for an IPO. Other existing corps in EVE that come to mind would be EVE University (again, don't know why they would need the ISK, but that's beside the point for now), or Agony Unleashed for their PvP classes.

Facebook didn't 'go public' after 5 days of operation. They grew themselves into a strong company first. Then the company went public to encourage investment in their concept, and expand on what is already a successful business model. In my opinion, this is what IPOs should be about in EVE. Eventually, those are the kinds of company's the EVE stock market should contain.

Any of the company's listed above, if they held an IPO would probably sell shares fairly quickly and command a solid price because of their pre-existing reputation and strength. So, until we start to see some of these types of EVE corporations step forward to make themselves publicly traded, there really is no need for an official stock market, because it would just be populated with a lot of scam-bait.

I just got a weird idea. but you could tag people based on what crimes they commit. and have like a dude go thru petitions to have people listed for certain crimes like scams or whatnot. kinda have crimes tally up. they dont do anything but other people can see that ****.
or something....
yeah i totally lost where i was going sorry...