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Castor II
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#321 - 2012-05-04 15:56:48 UTC
While all you risk averse folk are busy whining\unsubbing etc, I'll just drop my pos in a quiet lowsec system and make a killing Lol
Wyehr
Magister Corp
#322 - 2012-05-04 16:15:37 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Incidentally, I'd like to give Tippia a special shoutout for so bravely and doggedly defending a tangential point I made about 5 pages back, the logic of which I thought was obvious to anyone with a secondary school maths qualification, against the massed and relentless forces of those who's worldview depends so very strongly on not understanding that logic.

Tippia, your persistence and patience is an inspriation to us all. The raw effort you have put in combating people who are simply unwilling or unable to understand the obvious implications of the previously uncontroversial fact that virtually all non-hisec players have at least one hisec alt, whilst virtually no hisec players have a non-hi-sec alt leaves me humbled.


Sigh.

This is a consequence of the definition that you and Tippia share, but that is not necessarily real, and is very clearly not universally held by everyone.

That definition is that a human with a pilot that lives anywhere outside of highsec belongs to the category "not highsec" regardless of any other factor.

No one is in serious disagreement about the consequences of your definition, but plenty of us have an issue with the definition itself.

By the way, I have pilots in wormhole space and in highsec. I have formerly lived in nullsec and lowsec. I spend more time playing my highsec pilots, but Wyehr was my first pilot and I feel a special connection to him. I have no idea if I am a "highsec player" or a "wormhole player" or a nomad or what, and neither should you.
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#323 - 2012-05-04 16:25:00 UTC
If giving power to the high sec people will mean more solo play activity, then I heartily bow to my 0.0 overlords that keep working hard making this game a challenging and fun experience
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#324 - 2012-05-04 16:52:33 UTC
Roime wrote:
Takseen wrote:
There's a difference between players who enjoy dipping out of highsec on occasion, to enjoy what few bits of viable content exist there for the solo player, and being forced to exist there fulltime due to a fundamental nerf to highsec security.
If the game was just lowsec and null, it wouldn't generate enough hours of enjoyment to be worth the sub fee.

Wut? Lowsec has endless hours of enjoyment. In a sandbox, content is created by players.
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Likewise I'm sure there's some primarily low/null/Wormhole players who enjoy the ability to chill or rebuild their funds in highsec if the corp they were in previously implodes.

No, we come to hisec to spend the funds we make outside.


Sandcastles are created by players, but you still need someone else to provide the sand. I don't like the sand in lowsec, I have to keep checking it for turds and broken glass.

And you're speaking for all non-highsec players? I've seen plenty of people on the forums say they tried the nullsec gig, lost their space or their corp or both, and went back to highsec.

Doesn't really matter though, CCP aren't stupid enough to remove or severely nerf highsec.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#325 - 2012-05-04 16:54:14 UTC
I like the direction this game is taking and support CCP 100%.
Davor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#326 - 2012-05-04 17:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Davor
The amount of pubbie tears in this thread is staggering. Also how are goons so incompetent and a huge minority if they control your game so well? Yikes, you guys. Like it or not, goonswarm has gone a long way to improve Eve over the years, and if that improvement makes you horrible pubbies cry like little babbies all the better.

Listen, Eve isn't so unlike other mmos, you have your newbie areas (read: hi sec), your tutorials to ease you into how the real game is played (read: faction warfare, in an odd round about way), your less restrictive areas of limited pvp (low sec), and then the end game content (null sec), where the big boys play the real game.

Also I have 4 accounts, of those I have 3 characters in Goonswarm, and others i use for other activities, like market alts in high sec, cyno alts, etc.. So that's 3/12 characters in null sec space, but I am definitely a 0.0 player.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#327 - 2012-05-04 17:55:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).
Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon.
My Ally Leader and I have been discussing this for quite some time. A covert GoonAltDevTeam steering game development this way for a few years. But it sounds so tinfoil hat it's almost embarrassing to bring up. That's a GREAT way for them to hide. Dev PvP ????? Shocked

Stocking up on tinfoil is always advisable in this game.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#328 - 2012-05-04 18:04:22 UTC
there is a simple reason no one cares about HS. HS players never do anything cool or get enews frm in game exploits. itsthe 1 percent that drives eve. the rest just sit in the sandbox eating sand. cough cough hs players
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#329 - 2012-05-04 18:08:17 UTC
Chessur wrote:
there is a simple reason no one cares about HS. HS players never do anything cool or get enews frm in game exploits. itsthe 1 percent that drives eve. the rest just sit in the sandbox eating sand. cough cough hs players


Pretty much

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#330 - 2012-05-04 18:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Chessur wrote:
there is a simple reason no one cares about HS. HS players never do anything cool or get enews frm in game exploits. itsthe 1 percent that drives eve. the rest just sit in the sandbox eating sand. cough cough hs players


Surely you jest.

Here's
two i can think of just off the top of my head.

And what's the big news in 0.0? Killing a cap ship? Taking a system which you're just going to leave empty? Thrilling.

edit:Sorry for the links being on different lines, it's the only way to have any space between them at all. Forum wants to jumble them together and ignore any space for no apparent reason.

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Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#331 - 2012-05-04 18:15:17 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Chessur wrote:
there is a simple reason no one cares about HS. HS players never do anything cool or get enews frm in game exploits. itsthe 1 percent that drives eve. the rest just sit in the sandbox eating sand. cough cough hs players


Surely you jest.


nope. other than lottery or eve bank nothing happens. most mega scams or mega betrayals are not your average HS player. average HS life is just boring and uninteresting. it drives nothing.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#332 - 2012-05-04 18:18:11 UTC
The fact that nullers have taken to calling themselves the 1% with pride tells you everything you need to know about them.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#333 - 2012-05-04 18:20:15 UTC
sorry i live in low sec. you silly silly little hs bear.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2012-05-04 18:24:44 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Chessur wrote:
there is a simple reason no one cares about HS. HS players never do anything cool or get enews frm in game exploits. itsthe 1 percent that drives eve. the rest just sit in the sandbox eating sand. cough cough hs players


Surely you jest.


nope. other than lottery or eve bank nothing happens. most mega scams or mega betrayals are not your average HS player. average HS life is just boring and uninteresting. it drives nothing.


Eh? Highsec is full of scammers.

What you probably mean is that the typical carebear solo'er doesn't drive the big events in Eve, which is way more accurate. Except for the Jita monument shooting, and the opening massacre when the first Incursions were introduced.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#335 - 2012-05-04 19:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
The 1% that takes action will always achieve more
than the 99% that does nothing.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#336 - 2012-05-04 20:19:20 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
The 1% that takes action will always achieve more
than the 99% that does nothing.


TBH it's since NC mega-NAP times that I don't recally anything really news-worthy happening in 0.0.

Well there's the nerf to bot-lands but those news are CCP created.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#337 - 2012-05-04 20:26:48 UTC
As usual, there appears to be this usual idea that people in HS are all there because they want to be.


Do not confuse the incursioning shiney pilot with the people who only have at most an hour to play (if they are lucky). An hour to run a level 4 mission or move ships around or at least, if there is less time, at a bare minimum, hitting a belt and killing a few rats just so not to forget how to play the game.


This is also why most of HS does not vote or "care" either. Who has time?


Yes there are people who not only work for a living (gasp horrors! Why can't we all be semi-retired like Mittani?) and on top of that, have a host of other things to do.


Yes, it's possible that a video game is not the center of a player's life. Go figure. Sometimes the hair gotta come off the neck, right?

For a lot of people, this game is Skill Queue Online too. Sometimes I go for months without playing. Meanwhile, in RL, I STILL have a long list of things to do that are not going to get done if I sit at a computer playing games.

Now, am I to be punished for having a life? Should the game be made harder for me? Well, if that's the attitude, it changes nothing considering who is having that attitude. It's like a short bus full of window-lickers at the corner and they are all pointing and laughing at you. Yeah, gonna invest energy in that, right.

Should I ask for special treatment then? Occasionally we get the whine and cheese from some high sec casual player who feels the game should have something closer to the quest system of WoW or an Arena for PVP or something like that. Big deal. If I had to bother with everybody who asked for something that's less time spent on more important things. People asking for special treatment get ignored without help so why bother?

AS for taking the CSM to enact some political will, it's repugnant. Why? Well, where I live, there are High Occupancy Vehicle lanes. That is, the local constabulary has STOLEN land from everybody to reserve to people who do something that the government wants - usually some AGW hoax driven crap idea like carpooling.

But lo and behold, mothers with children use the lanes. But wait, the babies, the kids, they don't drive. Putting them in the car is not taking more cars off the road. How come you can include kids then?

"Because the mothers vote" the politicians say.

You see, "out-voting" people is still not right. It's actually immoral. The people who liked the idea of putting other people in gas chambers "out voted" those who got to go to the chambers. Was it still right?


So someone says "high sec outnumbers low and 0.0. Let's out vote them!!!1!!".

Why? To be just as bad as them? So we have what, 150 give or take nullsec tyrants and we want to replace them with tens of thousands high sec tyrants whose ideas will still suck?


Why don't people just enjoy playing the damned game their way and leave it at that. If I wanted to use voting as a personal weapon I would .... well I get enough of that dealing the RL politics and the blackened little souls comprising the cancer of democracy there so please let me come to the game to get away from this crap if at least only to kill some rats.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#338 - 2012-05-04 20:38:06 UTC
Politics has always been the refuge of beta personalities.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#339 - 2012-05-04 21:30:34 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
The fact that nullers have taken to calling themselves the 1% with pride tells you everything you need to know about them.


So, you 99%'er, why not protest it by getting all the 99% people in eve and occupying VFK? Show those nullbears who's boss!

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Vince Snetterton
#340 - 2012-05-05 00:01:07 UTC
I received an email today, from someone who wants to start a blog up for high sec players.
Not sure where it will go, but I shall explore this.

It would be excellent if the high sec players can coalesce around a specific web site.
goons have the something awful site.
Most null sec alliances have their own sites.

High sec players, you want to get on a more equal footing with the null sec zealots intent on destroying your game-style, organize, now.