Crime & Punishment

Oh lord, I sincerely hope that, in the event that this does hit TQ exactly as on the tin, that the bears all form one massive "undeccable" alliance and laugh at their brilliance. Every missioner, ratter, miner, ect to drive up war dec costs to unimaginable highs... because 2.2 seconds later, someone in the CFC would wardec them and invite all of Eve to join in the massacre for free. The influx of lulz, rage and emotears would blot not just the sun, but every sun in new eden. Burn Jita and Hulkageddon would be pennies on the dollar compared to the wholesale slaughter that would follow.

Now that would be fun... but I doubt it would happen.

Honestly, I agree with the opinion that all the 500k fee does is punish david, since poor old goliath needs so much help from the devs. It's there to kill any chance of a return of something like the PVTR era, because we absolutely must keep highsec safe for the bears, mustn't we?

the one fix this needs is to be able to shoot anyone in your alliance without being concorded

While I understand the point you are trying to make, this isn't exactly comparing apples to apples. In order for the baiting BS to work as you suggested, you have to be in low/null sec where you can be attacked anytime, not just when you rep someone.

As far as neutral rr goes, I am not around it enough to care too much. That said, I can see why some people have issue with it.

Am i the only one to have already considered a per member cost can easily be abused if every member uses their 3 slots to join a corp then creates a rolling string of trial characters to push their corp "membership" to ridiculous levels.

500 man corps with 1 RL person here we come...

The per-member price is a bit insane. A small corporation deccing a bigger corp/alliance is already at a disadvantage in numbers, but now they get screwed isk-wise, and the other side of that is big alliances have an easier time attacking small corps (especially if the stacking is removed, which some have said it is/will be)

oh well whatever, I havent been in a war eons. Wormholes4lyf

You must be new. Go take a look at the bounty system or faction warfare or captains quarters.

Why would anyone waste time declaring war on TEST or Goons? These groups are already irrelevant, and a wardec is not required to pew pew them. Or any null-holding alliance.

For hi-sec this won't be that big of a deal. Just HTFU about it.

After what I've seen done with the Anom nerf & the Incursion NERF I've come to learn that underestimating CCP's dumb bonheadedness when it comes to overboard NERFing is a mistake

Well, according to the devs that's wrong. Most manufacture doesn't happen in nullsec - its actually done wherever it is cheapest in the long run, and that usually means purchasing components and sometimes ore in Jita and transporting them (jump frieghter I believe) into Null - so even if it's a null alt in highsec, its still a toon in highsec influencing their alliance. It's not inconsequential, it's actually a vital part of the supply route.

Now, it is true that must null seccers couldn't give two shticks about highsec exclusive players, but since most ore was coming from mission runners it damn sure influenced nullsec supply. Remember that highsec ore is rarer in nullsec. So they may not of cared, but they do influence null quite directly.


I don't know of any coordinated efforts to jack up null sec supply routes, probably because a lot of null seccers don't realize how important the supply routes are, a lot of high seccers are too carebear to be aware of this or even care and because of how easy it is to just ship with a blue'd alt leaving the would be gankers/deccers in the dark. Unfortunately that wont change even with the dec change and if the dec change did threaten supply, it'd be no problem to do this more. So of course you wouldn't care. If your supply routes got hit intelligently and precisely, though, you'd care.

Think about it this way: in your corp/alliance, have you ever run the numbers on the average ore/hour you produce (of each type) based on the number of dedicated miners+mining ops? Does it cover the entire production of everything your corp consumes/creates? If not, that ore/material is coming from highsec.

As for titans, I fly NPC null often enough, and have never seen a titan so I wont bother with arguing about them. All I usually see are 20+ man fleets (lul, that's not a small gang) or solo pilots who will not engage. When they do, it's quite fun... but even 1v1 I see more running than fighting, unless they seriously outclass their target (T3 vs T1 frig for instance). I will tip my hat though, to those who have stood their ground, and especially to the one's who've popped me before.

It's ironic that highsec dwellers think that wardecs matter to us. All serous industrial players have neutral NPC alts with personal jump freighters for a complete access to any empire market. I think on average day GSF has a dozen or so pubbie wardecs active. It seriously matters not. I chuckle at the idiots that blow their wad thinking it will make a difference if they wardec goons or friends.

If you wanna pew pew, get FC join fleet and come over to our scary nullsec enclave. No concord, no station games, just bubbles and pew pew.