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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#301 - 2012-05-04 04:28:50 UTC
Hamshoe wrote:
Tippia wrote:
The simple fact remains, and your strawmen cannot change this fact: the 70% highsec character population means that fewer than 70% of the players are highsec players, to the point where they might not even be the majority (silent or otherwise) that they so often claim to be.


That's most certainly not a fact, it is your interpretation based on your definition which you have created to support your point.

There's a not so subtle difference.

So, if you're demanding apologies for lying... eh. Roll


That's most certainly not a fact, it is your interpretation based on your definition which you have created to support your point.

There's a not so subtle difference.

This goes both ways, dude.

Just because this character lives in high-sec doesn't mean I'm a highsec player.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Jhoria Englside
Brojob
#302 - 2012-05-04 04:30:11 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).

Me and 3 accounts are out of here after 2 1/2 years if that happens.

I'm with you bud. Sign me up.

Hell sign Thundering Herd up.


The THUNDERING HERD 2 dudes 15 alts ooooookaaaaaaay
please form a big hisec coalition so that the null guys can wardec yall all at once

We are in good hands.
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#303 - 2012-05-04 05:53:07 UTC
So, and this post also come to "mine is biger than yours"?

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Shian Yang
#304 - 2012-05-04 06:01:00 UTC
Scien Inkunen wrote:
So, and this post also come to "mine is biger than yours"?


Greetings capsuleer Inkunen,

I am not sure. Your post is a bit brief and you make no reference to yours being bigger. Are you sure you said what you intended to say?

Regards,

Shian Yang
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#305 - 2012-05-04 06:01:25 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
What numbers are you talking about? I don't care if it shows a million paid accounts, the subscription numbers you keep referring to are meaningless, especially if most of them are throwaways.
…except that they are the numbers that denote business and population, which is what was in question. So they are highly relevant, unlike, say, average online players during the day.

Quote:
If the amount of paid active accounts has been steadily growing year after year, then there was no reason to downsize and restructure the company.
Of course there was: they were trying to grow the company and the product catalogue faster than the growth in income would allow. Just because the number of active accounts was growing doesn't mean they couldn't outgrow that number and be required to downsize to get back in synch with the income growth.

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No company is going to come out and state to it's customers that business is not doing well.
Sure they will. CCP did, for one…
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#306 - 2012-05-04 06:03:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Well… unless, as mentioned above, you want to define, say, the Goons as highsec players, which would be rather at odds with how everyone categorises them.

Highsec players? Us?

Aww, you shouldn't have. No wait, this isn't about our secret veldspar miners, is it? Supercapitals need tons of trit...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#307 - 2012-05-04 06:05:46 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Scien Inkunen wrote:
So, and this post also come to "mine is biger than yours"?


Greetings capsuleer Inkunen,

I am not sure. Your post is a bit brief and you make no reference to yours being bigger. Are you sure you said what you intended to say?

Regards,

Shian Yang



When this kind of measuring come valid, you know that the world is crewed...

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#308 - 2012-05-04 06:10:15 UTC
pfft Goons don't need supers, the 2000 man Drake blob is unkillable as it is.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#309 - 2012-05-04 06:21:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Aww, you shouldn't have. No wait, this isn't about our secret veldspar miners, is it? Supercapitals need tons of trit...
Pff! Everyone knows you have no supercaps — that's why you want to nerf/remove them after all.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#310 - 2012-05-04 06:32:42 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
pfft Goons don't need supers, the 2000 man Drake blob is unkillable as it is.

Drakes are awesome !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#311 - 2012-05-04 06:36:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Let's see how much CCP Marketing is singing the praises of all the null sec zealots in about 6 or 7 months.
Let's see how excited they are about all this player driven content when the null sec zealots have shut down 3 or 4 trade hubs simultaneously, without warning this time, and crushed a lot of high sec industrial players enough they quit the game.

Frankly, the concept of financially crushing high sec is a hugely daunting task, and I would impressed at the logistics of making it happen. What I cannot stand is the maliciousness and reason for doing it: to drive players out of high sec or out of the game.

I thought we were ~having no effect~. Fail cascading? Being beaten up and chased off by the Jita scammers.



Well isn't that just the dambdest thing about goons? How they can simultaneously be so amazingly stupid, have ADHD, know nothing about the game, be so totally, irredeemably bad, and yet...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#312 - 2012-05-04 06:42:05 UTC
Incidentally, I'd like to give Tippia a special shoutout for so bravely and doggedly defending a tangential point I made about 5 pages back, the logic of which I thought was obvious to anyone with a secondary school maths qualification, against the massed and relentless forces of those who's worldview depends so very strongly on not understanding that logic.

Tippia, your persistence and patience is an inspriation to us all. The raw effort you have put in combating people who are simply unwilling or unable to understand the obvious implications of the previously uncontroversial fact that virtually all non-hisec players have at least one hisec alt, whilst virtually no hisec players have a non-hi-sec alt leaves me humbled.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#313 - 2012-05-04 06:56:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Let's see how much CCP Marketing is singing the praises of all the null sec zealots in about 6 or 7 months.
Let's see how excited they are about all this player driven content when the null sec zealots have shut down 3 or 4 trade hubs simultaneously, without warning this time, and crushed a lot of high sec industrial players enough they quit the game.

Frankly, the concept of financially crushing high sec is a hugely daunting task, and I would impressed at the logistics of making it happen. What I cannot stand is the maliciousness and reason for doing it: to drive players out of high sec or out of the game.

I thought we were ~having no effect~. Fail cascading? Being beaten up and chased off by the Jita scammers.

Well isn't that just the dambdest thing about goons? How they can simultaneously be so amazingly stupid, have ADHD, know nothing about the game, be so totally, irredeemably bad, and yet...

Highsec is worse?

Well, things happen in the oddest ways sometimes...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Shian Yang
#314 - 2012-05-04 07:05:19 UTC
Scien Inkunen wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
Scien Inkunen wrote:
So, and this post also come to "mine is biger than yours"?


Greetings capsuleer Inkunen,

I am not sure. Your post is a bit brief and you make no reference to yours being bigger. Are you sure you said what you intended to say?

Regards,

Shian Yang



When this kind of measuring come valid, you know that the world is crewed...


Greetings capsuleer,

What is the world crewed by? You left me dangling with three ellipses and ...

Regards,

Shian Yang
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#315 - 2012-05-04 07:37:28 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Scien Inkunen wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
Scien Inkunen wrote:
So, and this post also come to "mine is biger than yours"?


Greetings capsuleer Inkunen,

I am not sure. Your post is a bit brief and you make no reference to yours being bigger. Are you sure you said what you intended to say?

Regards,

Shian Yang



When this kind of measuring come valid, you know that the world is crewed...


Greetings capsuleer,

What is the world crewed by? You left me dangling with three ellipses and ...

Regards,

Shian Yang

Dear forums poster,

It must be the thing of which the measurements are being compared.

Huge, they are.


With a ruler,

~Ala

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2012-05-04 07:43:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hamshoe wrote:
Yes, the reverse of your claim in equally valid (That being that anyone who does anything in high sec can be called a high sec player)
Nope. Again, the whole argument is we have this category of players — supposedly a majority — that will quit the game if highsec changes in any significant way. The problem with the reversal of my claim is that it would include people who do not fall into that category because they can already survive just fine outside of highsec.


There's a difference between players who enjoy dipping out of highsec on occasion, to enjoy what few bits of viable content exist there for the solo player, and being forced to exist there fulltime due to a fundamental nerf to highsec security.
If the game was just lowsec and null, it wouldn't generate enough hours of enjoyment to be worth the sub fee.

Likewise I'm sure there's some primarily low/null/Wormhole players who enjoy the ability to chill or rebuild their funds in highsec if the corp they were in previously implodes.

And I'm not too worried about the direction Eve is going in. Incarna has shown that if they go too far off course, players will desert them en masse and the next expansion(s) will correct the issues. So far there's been nothing that raised a red flag for me personally.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#317 - 2012-05-04 10:22:54 UTC
Takseen wrote:
There's a difference between players who enjoy dipping out of highsec on occasion, to enjoy what few bits of viable content exist there for the solo player, and being forced to exist there fulltime due to a fundamental nerf to highsec security.
If the game was just lowsec and null, it wouldn't generate enough hours of enjoyment to be worth the sub fee.


Wut? Lowsec has endless hours of enjoyment. In a sandbox, content is created by players.

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Likewise I'm sure there's some primarily low/null/Wormhole players who enjoy the ability to chill or rebuild their funds in highsec if the corp they were in previously implodes.


No, we come to hisec to spend the funds we make outside.


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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#318 - 2012-05-04 11:24:20 UTC
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#319 - 2012-05-04 15:21:39 UTC
Cleaning this thread of off topic posts, rants and personal attacks. You can help me by not putting them there in the first place.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#320 - 2012-05-04 15:25:33 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Cleaning this thread of off topic posts, rants and personal attacks. You can help me by not putting them there in the first place.

where's the fun in that

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.