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4.29 billion reasons why CCP loves the Goons lol...
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Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-05-04 05:46:35 UTC
You're mad about that? I would have thought you'd be more mad about wars following a pilot, and spreading to the rest of the corporation he joins.

Imagine... on Thursday we wardec Eve Uni, and by Friday it spreads to everyone coming and going in Jita. A Burning without CONCORD in the way...
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-05-04 05:47:14 UTC
i see this new wardec system will get out of hand. the little guys will be screwed in the 10 to 1 odds and not in their favor. there should be a penalty on said corp/alliance wardecing a small group. otherwise you just get them to station spin and skill up. you may see the NPC corps grow in numbers.

The only ones that can wardec a large alliance is not feesible. CCP what are you thinking?
You plan on killing your love child or something?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2012-05-04 05:52:24 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
The only ones that can wardec a large alliance is not feesible. CCP what are you thinking?
You plan on killing your love child or something?

Wait, CCP had a love child? Please explain.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Liam Mirren
#24 - 2012-05-04 06:03:32 UTC
What, are you trying to say that the DEVS working on the warddec changes (same for the aggression changes for that matter, I love flashy pods I'm not allowed to shoot) don't have a clue on what they're doing and have been taking "advice" from the CSM who for the most part are 0.0 dwellers?

Surely not!

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Sendo Jarix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-04 06:04:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Sendo Jarix
Dumb spergs everywhere, CCP already said the version of the war dec system that is on SiSi is old and that a new one will be rolled out soon. They have also mentioned looking at either putting a cap on the total cost or having it non-linear so I'd imagine one of these two things will be included in the update version.
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-05-04 06:10:17 UTC
Want more legal targets - pay more bribes to CONCORD, seems logical.
And since price gets directly proportional target size those jita 4-4 campers can wardec someone new instead of rotating through same old top 20 by size alliances. :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2012-05-04 06:36:51 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Maybe now, empire griefer corps will put together proper fleets, come to null sec and fight us for real instead of hiding behind broken empire mechanics.

No. This change promotes the exact opposite.

Quote:
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change.
…and with a proper cost formula, that could still be avoided without giving you a free decshield.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-04 07:09:39 UTC
looks like a proper isk sink to me. Even if 6 guys wanted to wardec goons for example, you are sayin they cant come up with 4bil? Stop doing lvl 3s you are doing it way wrong.

I have more space likes than you. 
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2012-05-04 07:11:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Maybe now, empire griefer corps will put together proper fleets, come to null sec and fight us for real instead of hiding behind broken empire mechanics.

No. This change promotes the exact opposite.
Quote:
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change.
…and with a proper cost formula, that could still be avoided without giving you a free decshield.

Should've just given the miners and such invulnerability or made ganking an exploit. That would really have done it.

And trit would have become SO MUCH CHEAPER. Seriously, that would be great ... ohohohohohoh

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-04 07:23:59 UTC
Goonswarm coming out in support of inflated wardec costs for big corps. What a surprise.
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-04 07:28:47 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Goonswarm coming out in support of inflated wardec costs for big corps. What a surprise.


If the players of null sec really wanted to get rid of Goons maybe they should form one super alliance and take them down. Surely there is enough people in null sec to accomplish this task. :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2012-05-04 07:36:02 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Goonswarm coming out in support of inflated wardec costs for big corps. What a surprise.


If the players of null sec really wanted to get rid of Goons maybe they should form one super alliance and take them down. Surely there is enough people in null sec to accomplish this task. :)

You're thinking in the wrong direction. Keep wardecs in mind, you need to push the goons into highsec and then wardec them !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-05-04 07:40:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Goonswarm coming out in support of inflated wardec costs for big corps. What a surprise.


If the players of null sec really wanted to get rid of Goons maybe they should form one super alliance and take them down. Surely there is enough people in null sec to accomplish this task. :)

You're thinking in the wrong direction. Keep wardecs in mind, you need to push the goons into highsec and then wardec them !


Nah...I like the ideal of taking the goons out in their own territory. The tears would be more fulfilling. Big smile
Wille Sanara
No Shoosting
#34 - 2012-05-04 07:56:19 UTC
The new wardec system is wrong. The price of war should be derived of sizes of both attacker and defender corps. War should be cheapest for corps with same size, if attacker is much bigger then defender, it should grow exponencially. The same if small corp wants to attack big. It gives sence, protects at least a bit small corps and still gives enough measures to wardec everyone.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2012-05-04 08:10:04 UTC
Why are people blaming Goons for an EVE-Uni issue?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#36 - 2012-05-04 08:17:36 UTC
So what your saying is your upset because now people actually need a reason to go to war rather than just to get easy kills? I can see why that might make griefers unhappy.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-05-04 08:36:42 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.

As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.

The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.


This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.




Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping?
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#38 - 2012-05-04 08:55:11 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.

As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.

The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.


This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.




Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping?



Last time I went on an FA logistics escort we had around a hundred combat ships, didnt see any war targets coming at us for 'good fights'.
If you dont know what you are talking about, its best not to talk.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-05-04 08:59:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Maybe now, empire griefer corps will put together proper fleets, come to null sec and fight us for real instead of hiding behind broken empire mechanics.

No. This change promotes the exact opposite.

Quote:
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change.
…and with a proper cost formula, that could still be avoided without giving you a free decshield.

Free?

I thought I just laid out that it costs me a lot of isk to run my alliance.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-05-04 09:00:31 UTC
Not to mention the upkeep cost of an alliance each month.


Shoot, they can up that a month. Per corp even.

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CCP Please Implement