EVE General Discussion

When you retire, it isn't because you failed. And Godwin's law is fulfilled. Everyone loves calling Goons Nazi's, don't they?

Six Million Jew's, Russians, Gypsies, Disabled, Homosexuals...

About a couple thousand Mining Barges.

Who are you to refute these brave carebears. It is basically the same thing.

What numbers are you talking about? I don't care if it shows a million paid accounts, the subscription numbers you keep referring to are meaningless, especially if most of them are throwaways.

The current amount of active players now online is less than what it was in the middle of 2009. If the amount of paid active accounts has been steadily growing year after year, then there was no reason to downsize and restructure the company. CCP delicately mentioned a few of the reasons at Fanfest 2012 Keynote, probably be a good idea for you to review it. Also, please refer to the Archives and read the various threads posted during the Summer of 2011 to get an overview of all the different reasons for the decline of active player numbers on-line since the middle of 2009, starting with the '1000 Papercuts' thread.

No company is going to come out and state to it's customers that business is not doing well. Nor are they going to release reports to the press or make Dev blogs about it. They may mention some set backs and a few little problems but excellent PR will always portray it as slight while promoting their company and product in a very positive view.

Please stop spouting your false propaganda how Eve has continuously grown and prospered year after year. If everything was so peachy-keno then the amount of active players currently on-line would be triple.

Doesn't the argument of low/null/WH living people having alts have the potential to go the other way? That is to say is there no possibility the "main" living in non-hisec space is actually more of an alt by usage or age? And for those with characters in multiple sec bands who actually play significant times there, which highsec dominance would be evidenced by snapshots consistently showing a greater number of players there, should they be counted according to the lowest sec band they have characters in?

Ultimately all that matters is the direction in which those accounts vote.

You mean this?



Yes you did. You are on a message board. Not real life. You can't re-remember here.

Me:
"If someone spends 75% of his time running missions with one character and 25% of his time mining in Null Sec with the other, then is he Null Sec or High Sec?"

You:
"¬(Highsec) for the simple reason that he obviously can stand the idea of being outside of highsec."

So yes, you said exactly that.

You can't phase me with reality denial. I am a Level 20 Nerd Troll with the Unshakable Certainty and Never Needs Food traits.

Because peak concurrent user is a better measure of income than paid subscriptions.

Gotta be a troll. No one is actually this stupid.

No, surprisingly enough, the guy is totally legit.

Maybe, but going by the “highsec silent majority” POV, they've disqualified themselves by showing that they can indeed imagine playing outside of highsec, which is exactly what that silent majority will not do.

…you mean aside from your own quotes and you own admission that I didn't? No, I did not. You'll have to go back and edit both your own and my posts to make that happen (which, for one, you can't, and for another, will be blatantly obvious in the edit history at this point). You can repeat your strawman as much as you like — it doesn't become any less of a strawman and any less of a blatant and obvious lie because of it. It only exposes your troll nature further, and you probably don't want that to happen more than it already has.

You're confusing me with you. You're the one denying what you yourself wrote (and quoted… twice).

Nope. Again, the whole argument is we have this category of players — supposedly a majority — that will quit the game if highsec changes in any significant way. The problem with the reversal of my claim is that it would include people who do not fall into that category because they can already survive just fine outside of highsec.

The reverse of my claim would mean that the nullsec zealots, as the OP labels them, would quit if they got their wish. That kind of falls on its own absurdity.

My concept of majority is that it is more than 50%. There is nothing about their data that says that highsec players are more than 50%, unless you want to stray into the realm of what you called speculation, and claiming that they do therefore becomes what you label as a deception.

Yes it is. It comes as a direct result of the division between player types that the OP (and pretty much everyone else) uses. Well… unless, as mentioned above, you want to define, say, the Goons as highsec players, which would be rather at odds with how everyone categorises them.

Put another way, if you want to define highsec players the way you do, then you've just completely gutted the OP's complaint: everything that is done by the CSM is done by highsec players; highsec already has 100% representation; everything that is being done to highsec right now is approved by highsec players. Reversing the definition means this entire thread is a pointless whine since it is no longer based on reality.