EVE General Discussion

ah good, I just wanna mission on my merry way lol

How so?

The side with the advantage in numbers will always have enough time to send in the blob and undue any damage the underdog/smaller side can inflict.

If we could at least dock in the enemy occupied area we could plan ahead by having different sized ships there fitted and ready to go. That way when the larger side came with ships for running a minor plex we would be able to jump into ships for medium plexes. Unless they were also ready they would then have to take time to reship. This is harder to do with bigger fleets than with smaller better organized gangs. Hence their numerical advantage would be severely mitigated.

However since we can't dock to switch out ships they will know what we are in and just chase us out with a larger fleet of the same sized ships.

CCP need to increase the time and difficultly of flipping a system, with everything depending on the system occupancy being able to flip a system in 6 hours as it is currently is crazy.

almost seems like ccp want to remove all the current players in fw for this new game play type.

funk knows what im gunna do now, prolly pirate and dec militas

Idiot (At OP, not anybody else, apologies), you don't join FW to farm the missions for LP. You join FW to PVP. The LP is a byproduct. The very fact that you're complaining about being locked out of the missions means it's already gone too far, and this will rectify the situation. Blob back FFS, nobody's stopping you except the 300 allies who are off doing missions AFK without a care in the world.

Ranger1 is SPOT ON with how FW is behaving. I left for the EXACT SAME REASONS. People wouldn't do ANYTHING because they were SOOOOOOOOOOOOOo damn busy farming their precious *bleeping* LP so they could buy goodies that they would never even use to attack the enemy. You might as well go back to level 4 highsec missions in a noob corp if you're so concerned about it.

The Gallente/Caldari front at least was semi-interesting, and had good fights every now and then. The frogs actually went so far as to make Caldari home systems so inaccessible that the squids packed up and basically left, except for those pubbies that would dock in their pods, get the damn missions, and then go do those, there was no reason for anybody else to stick around. We had good fun fitting out crazy sensor boosted drams to pop those pods repeatedly, but they didn't care. Without docking rights these imbeciles will have to work and defend if they want to see another isk ever again.

Stop complaining and get back your damn systems.

if this is at me, i was actually talking about normal low sec agents, not specifically fw ones.

being locked out of all stations makes it near impossible to make isk, which is bad for the the underdog and also bad for the blobbers with nothing to shoot.

being locked out of directly FW based stations i could understand, but locked out of all in the system is pure madness, logistically for isk and being able to safe up when the door bell rings.

low sec is not null sec. dont "fix" fw by breaking everything it is now

Let me speak from the amarr perspective. BTW we will likley get steamrolled if plexing all of a sudden becomes worth something big.

Yeah there are a few systems that we could base out of akkio(caldari low sec), egghelende (its gallente low sec but not fw) and the various amarr high sec entrances (assuming your sec status is high enough). Basing out of minmatar high sec has other issues like its npc navy will keep attacking you. In sum there aren't that many potential staging grounds after we get steamrolled.

If it is going to take 40 hours straight of plexing to flip a system the larger side could easilly mobilize a blob to protect any "front line" system before we flip it. And again even if we flip it we won't be able to sustain it.

Now of course we likely wouldn't be able to sustain it even if we could dock in various places. But the actual battles we would have all over faction wars regions would be as fun as I could imagine eve being. Here we can try to make a push on a frontline system but its just going to get crushed out without much fanfare. Plus everyone can look at a map and see where those are. So its not the same as being able to plot a few days before and just keep popping up like dandelions.

So what ya saying is...

when null sec aliances loose thier ooutposts. they should be able to dock and undock still? even if the new ownes do not want them to?

same **** different bucket.

I think this needs to be thought through better. This is the kneejerk response to having station lockouts.

However longer flip times just means the side with more firepower has more time to form up their blobs. Shorter flip times would give the underdog more opportunity to do coodinated attacks that accomplish something.

Honestly, I think that the underdog needs to consider other options besides trying to counter-blob the blob. I tried to get this across to the Amarr militia when I was in it, but nobody really did anything besides my corporation.

There are plenty of clever tactics that one could do other than just do what people have always been doing.

Anyways, with regards to flip times, it doesn't make much sense, at least to me, that a small, short-lived raid-style party could influence something which is supposed to be major (ie occupancy). It should be easier that sovereignty, but still not as simple and PvE-esque as plexing.

I'm not sure what system could be used other than placing specific items into structures and/or shooting them as well, though.