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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-05-02 23:55:22 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
The poor fools think protesting changes things.


It can though... but you need a lot of people and everyone needs to be clear about the actual goal and what needs changing. Occupy thingy had none of these P


We all like to think it can, and even sometimes call the 60's the decade of change. But for all their protesting over things, not a damn thing changed. The Vietnam war was probably the most widely protested, and it just kept on trucking for 20 years, no matter how many people protested. Same could be said about all the protests over the Iraq war.

I can't think of anything protesting has ever helped or changed.


The Case–Church Amendment that ended American involvement in Vietnam was due to the crazy anti war zealots

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#22 - 2012-05-03 00:17:04 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
The Case–Church Amendment that ended American involvement in Vietnam was due to the crazy anti war zealots


People who were against the war in positions of power, not the protesters in the streets.

And on the subject of war, isn't it interesting our governments tell us violence isn't the way to solve problems, yet look how they solve problems themselves.

And that statement probably put me on an NSA watch list. Lol For the record i'm completely non-violent. Honest.

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Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#23 - 2012-05-03 10:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Renturu
Sidus Isaacs wrote:

Yes, I am sure all of them did that.

If you haven't figured it out yet, it is communication devices like smart phones that enabled this kind of movement in the first place. Twitter and other online media accessed by a mobile devices enables rapid organization and spread of information not otherwise possible. Go figure that they need smart phones with twitter (It is 2012 people, stop living in the dark ages). People are just lured in by ads form apple to buy inferior devices under the guise of belonging to a "cool" culture. Any smart protester would use a HTC or Samsung device. But what kind of phone they used is irrelevant anyways.

As for the coffee, I bet most of them where drinking form the rag tag kitchen they used, no? A man needs hes caffeine, and if no source is close by one might have to resort to star-bucks if it is the only source.

Then again, it was the financial sector and the banking industry intertwined with politics that was the main issue, not overpriced coffee and electronics.

And yes, a few people would be hypocrites just there for the "action". But one just gotta ignore those like one do in any other instance.

I would suggest you use some alternative media sources other then mainstream for your information.


Not all of them for sure. But when they are protesting "Big Corporate America" and purveying them as greedy and selfish with their money, you don't use the tools to spread info about said protest that make your "enemies" more money.

In fact, Wall Street reported gains DURING Occupy. The massive influx of information being traded on a daily basis, as well as services being rendered (food, clothes and tech purchases to "cover" the protest) skyrocketed the profit of the large companies (Apple, Microsoft, FACEBOOK - Holy mother of God!!! FB made a ton off of the movement, to include Twitter).

There is no excuse for hypocrisy as a means of protest. The movements back in 1968 were by far, more relevant, focused and effective than "Occupy" was or ever will be. The mind set of many are too fragmented on expressing an idea with no evidence of the idea in their lives. Most protesters of the Anti Nuclear and Anti War movements were "wearing their ideals on their sleeves" if you will.

Ref: Protests of 1968

So, If they wanted to protest these "corrupt" (and I use that term vaguely as I believe many of the are) companies and Organizations... hit them where it counts, the wallet. I would have been more satisfied if they announced an "Apple Destruction Day," or a "Twitter Blackout Day" to more more effective. THAT would have hit them harder.

Lastly, What made them think that protesting at Wall street would have had any effect. It was our Lawmakers that allowed this to happen and the protests should have been more centered in Washington and nowhere else... Check that... the Reserve Banks in each major city would have been a good place to protest as well. Since, in fact the Fed is NOT part of the gov't, but a separate entity bent on controlling the gov't and the populace.

Relivent info of gains: Jay-Z the Money Maker

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Soy Mel
#24 - 2012-05-03 18:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Soy Mel
Anya Klibor wrote:

But that's what you get when delusional hippies and teenagers without a brain start thinking "life should be fair". You're over 10, life is no longer fair. Get the word out of your vocabulary.


Democracy validates this type of delusional thinking. People forget it wasn't always this way, not every idiot felt entitled to an opinion. If your opinions were actually good they stood on their own. Now that 'radical notion' would be considered a hate crime against the stupid. Just a casual example of systemic retardation in America, the majority of this country can't see why "positive" racial or gender discrimination is racist, sexist and shouldn't exist. Regardless, somehow the idea of "fair" got really messed up. I've just come to live by the principle that I'm living in a world with people who are emotional and intellectual children.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-05-03 19:38:24 UTC
Some protest/public demonstration/activist movements have gotten results. Some examples:
-Women's suffrage movement in the 19th century U.S.
-Prohibition (of alcohol) movement in the early 20th century U.S.
-Gandhi peaceful resistance movement in India
-U.S. civil rights movement of the 60s.
-U.S. 'women's liberation' movement of the 60s-70s
-'Arab Spring' demonstrations in Egypt and Libya
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#26 - 2012-05-03 22:31:39 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
The poor fools think protesting changes things.


dunno, unpopular sentiment in your home country tends to shorten unpopular wars, and/or vote ppl into office that will shorten them.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#27 - 2012-05-03 22:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Renturu wrote:
What stunned me was the hypocrisy. While they were spewing there senseless drivel about "Big Corporations" raking in billions while they (the occupiers) had nothing, they were tweeting status' on their $600 iPhones and drinking their $10 espressos from Starbucks... WTF?????


Dont forget the expensive ass tents.

Sidus Isaacs wrote:


I would suggest you use some alternative media sources other then mainstream for your information.


Who would you suggest?
I always ask ppl that when tey get all elitist that their new source of choice ISNT biased in some way like they ALL are

Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Renturu wrote:
What stunned me was the hypocrisy. While they were spewing there senseless drivel about "Big Corporations" raking in billions while they (the occupiers) had nothing, they were tweeting status' on their $600 iPhones and drinking their $10 espressos from Starbucks... WTF?????


Yes, I am sure all of them did that.

If you haven't figured it out yet, it is communication devices like smart phones that enabled this kind of movement in the first place. Twitter and other online media accessed by a mobile devices enables rapid organization and spread of information not otherwise possible. Go figure that they need smart phones with twitter (It is 2012 people, stop living in the dark ages). People are just lured in by ads form apple to buy inferior devices under the guise of belonging to a "cool" culture. Any smart protester would use a HTC or Samsung device. But what kind of phone they used is irrelevant anyways.

As for the coffee, I bet most of them where drinking form the rag tag kitchen they used, no? A man needs hes caffeine, and if no source is close by one might have to resort to star-bucks if it is the only source.

Then again, it was the financial sector and the banking industry intertwined with politics that was the main issue, not overpriced coffee and electronics.

And yes, a few people would be hypocrites just there for the "action". But one just gotta ignore those like one do in any other instance.

I would suggest you use some alternative media sources other then mainstream for your information.



or both?
Theyre the hippies of the new generation. Except if you listen to Fox News, these hippies' "summer of love" was of the nonconsentual kind

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Back when Occupy was starting up, I supported the movement. It was based on the idea that SOME of the richest people in the world were using their wealth to screw over the rest of the world. I don't begrudge them their wealth, but when they do harm to those less fortunate so that they can become even more wealthy, someone needs to speak out.

The movement has since been hijacked by wealth-sharing socialists, anti-war protesters, and anyone else looking to get their placard in front of a camera.


And ANONYMOUS as Ive read

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#28 - 2012-05-03 22:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Khergit Deserters wrote:
You have to understand, Occupy isn't an organization or even a movement. It was inspired by the Arab Spring things in Libya and Egypt. Those things didn't have organization or agendas either. Just people who were fed up with what their governments/power systems were doing. Same with Occupy. People feel like their opinions aren't being heard via the media or via voting for politicians.

And Occupy has had some actual effect, even they're hard to see. For example, at the 2011 G20 summit of finance ministers and central bankers, the buzz around the whole conference was about Occupy (in it's various international versions). Occupy had the economic planners of the 20 richest countries worried. Oh no, the rabble are rousing. Oh no, the educated youth of our countries are rejecting our system, etc. They became aware that a sizable sector of their countries was pissed off, and that had to have affected their discussions somewhat. "On second thought, maybe we'd better wait on giving the finance industry that perk."


Doesnt seem to have stopped the govts from either cracking down and/or telling them their public parks are in fact private or (as the US said) their right to assembly was only during business hours

Bane Necran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
The poor fools think protesting changes things.


It can though... but you need a lot of people and everyone needs to be clear about the actual goal and what needs changing. Occupy thingy had none of these P


We all like to think it can, and even sometimes call the 60's the decade of change. But for all their protesting over things, not a damn thing changed. The Vietnam war was probably the most widely protested, and it just kept on trucking for 20 years, no matter how many people protested. Same could be said about all the protests over the Iraq war.

I can't think of anything protesting has ever helped or changed.


That include revolutions?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#29 - 2012-05-03 22:44:55 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
The Case–Church Amendment that ended American involvement in Vietnam was due to the crazy anti war zealots


People who were against the war in positions of power, not the protesters in the streets.

And on the subject of war, isn't it interesting our governments tell us violence isn't the way to solve problems, yet look how they solve problems themselves.

And that statement probably put me on an NSA watch list. Lol For the record i'm completely non-violent. Honest.


The ppl in power were against the war BECAUSE the PEOPLE were against the war. If they werent, they would have been voted out and replaced by ppl that were

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#30 - 2012-05-04 02:12:12 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
The poor fools think protesting changes things.


dunno, unpopular sentiment in your home country tends to shorten unpopular wars, and/or vote ppl into office that will shorten them.


But the next guy who gets elected saying he'll end the war, just forgets about the whole thing. There's too much money to be made with war to let some president just step in and end it. Countries continue doing pretty much the same thing no matter who is elected. Only the rhetoric changes.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-05-04 02:22:32 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
The poor fools think protesting changes things.


dunno, unpopular sentiment in your home country tends to shorten unpopular wars, and/or vote ppl into office that will shorten them.


But the next guy who gets elected saying he'll end the war, just forgets about the whole thing. There's too much money to be made with war to let some president just step in and end it. Countries continue doing pretty much the same thing no matter who is elected. Only the rhetoric changes.


And some people seem to forget that president != king. They really can't do the things they promise because it's not up to them

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#32 - 2012-05-04 13:42:47 UTC
Dunno, if people have the guts to get out and get pepper sprayed and arrested, I have to respect that. Better than during the Bush admin, when everybody sat around and were too scared to say or do anything. Those guys seriously abused the terrorism scare. Used it as a way to just get whatever they wanted. Gifts to credit card companies (credit card debt not dischargeable in bankruptcy). Gifts to banks (no restrictions on tricks, like holding your little checks and running your big checks first, so multiple little ones would bounce and get penalty fees). Gifts to Cheney (His company Halliburton awarded an exclusive contract to rebuild Iraq, in contravention of the law about competitive bidding for Federal contracts). The list goes on and on.

And whenever anybody said anything, guess what? It's suddenly Terrorist Threat Level Orange-- tape up your windows! Sheesh. It's about time people let these arsehats know that we're not all stupid. Most of us are, but not all of us.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-05-04 13:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidus Isaacs
Bane Necran wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
The Case–Church Amendment that ended American involvement in Vietnam was due to the crazy anti war zealots


People who were against the war in positions of power, not the protesters in the streets.

And on the subject of war, isn't it interesting our governments tell us violence isn't the way to solve problems, yet look how they solve problems themselves.

And that statement probably put me on an NSA watch list. Lol For the record i'm completely non-violent. Honest.



Well, it is obvious why the US goes to war when one actually studies history a bit. It is not to be the "good guy" :P

Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


And some people seem to forget that president != king. They really can't do the things they promise because it's not up to them



Yet they still claim they can. It only further show how much of a farce the US elections are (you "elect" a guy, he can't do anything, yet people still claim it is a democracy). It baffles me how anyone an take it seriously, more so now with the "super PAC" stuff.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#34 - 2012-05-04 14:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
The poor fools think protesting changes things.


dunno, unpopular sentiment in your home country tends to shorten unpopular wars, and/or vote ppl into office that will shorten them.

True this. Which is why they wouldn't let the media show video of combat or casualties in Iraq or Afghanistan. Our guys are dying over there, but the coverage is just some guy's head on CNN saying "34 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq today. Next up, Lindsey Lohan out on probation...." And remember the ban on showing flag-draped coffins returning from the wars? No playing Taps at Arlington National Cemetery? These, the supposed U.S. patriot flag-wavers, wouldn't even give our guys the dignity of being acknowledged for having been killed in service. The level of cynical manipulation is beyond belief.
ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#35 - 2012-05-04 21:30:32 UTC
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