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@CCP - breach of national laws

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#241 - 2012-05-03 18:24:47 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Fannie Maes wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
PS:

Fannie, I'm gonna be polite and give you one more chance to please reference the case that negatively affected an End-User License Agreement in a trial.

Please?



No thank you Blink As I stated previously, I prefer you live in ignorance and keep making an ass of yourself. Thanks for naming your school, I am sure it is school with excellent standards providing your reading material at harvard university website, I am sure your class starts with Wiki page on EULA & TOS than moves on to google docs.

Have a good day and I suggest you always read EULA and TOS agreements in the future, even for a Firefox utility, I would hate to see you accidentally sell your soul to to a Nigerian prince.

Big smile


LOL

Interesting. Very interesting.Lol

You trolled me long enough, I'll give you that. Now have fun with your self-indulgence.Cool


This whole thread is a bad thread.


Agreed.

Adapt or Die
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#242 - 2012-05-03 19:58:52 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.


Dear everyone and the OP missing the point,

An in-game character is not resident of any country on this planet, so their personal mails are not covered under the jurisdiction of any of Earth's legisation.

tl/dr I too think that it's a disgrace that JRR Tolkien publicly published conversations between Frodo and Gandalf.
ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#243 - 2012-05-03 20:50:40 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
As soon as I saw your name I already decided to discard any comments from you as being totally irrelevant.

Empyrean Warriors - Recruiting now.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#244 - 2012-05-03 20:55:04 UTC
Hauling Hal wrote:

Dear everyone and the OP missing the point,

An in-game character is not resident of any country on this planet, so their personal mails are not covered under the jurisdiction of any of Earth's legisation.

tl/dr I too think that it's a disgrace that JRR Tolkien publicly published conversations between Frodo and Gandalf.

Is that so? Did the character write this all by himself?
Wow, I must train my character to do some writing, too. Maybe some nice book will come out of it and then I can steal it from him, he certainly won't complain. And if he does, haha, I'll just biomass him.
Mario Rin
Independent Planets Military
#245 - 2012-05-03 21:03:09 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
Funny how dumb people can really be, or try to undermine the words being said by attacking the person and not the arguments. I am pretty sure everybody would burn CCP if they would make every mail public send ingame.

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Are you complete moron ? No it can not. API is for character not for corp. If player left, API useless for spying.


I think u misread whay I said.. most corp and/or alliance require the player to send their API before they can join. If a player forgets to delete the key after he left the corp/alliance it can still be used by the former corp/alliance. Often people are not aware of this and even reuse the same key for the next corp/alliance they join.

Again, I do not mind that the mails can be accessed through the API but what I do mind that the sender has no control over his mail. There should be an option if the sended mail is available through the API.


Consider postal mail, you send a physical letter to someone, you have no control over how they duplicate, divulge, and distribute copies of that letter. Why do you believe that a game communication should be held to different standards than a physical communication?
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#246 - 2012-05-03 21:07:25 UTC
Mario Rin wrote:
Consider postal mail, you send a physical letter to someone, you have no control over how they duplicate, divulge, and distribute copies of that letter. Why do you believe that a game communication should be held to different standards than a physical communication?

Bad example.
Making a private letter public is illegal in some countries, at least in Germany it is.
While it is true that you don't have control over it, you can act against it once you are aware of it.
Polly Oxford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#247 - 2012-05-03 21:16:28 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Mario Rin wrote:
Consider postal mail, you send a physical letter to someone, you have no control over how they duplicate, divulge, and distribute copies of that letter. Why do you believe that a game communication should be held to different standards than a physical communication?

Bad example.
Making a private letter public is illegal in some countries, at least in Germany it is.
While it is true that you don't have control over it, you can act against it once you are aware of it.



The German law in this case it's highly dependant on the content of the mail. Don't apply laws that you don't understand to this.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#248 - 2012-05-03 21:22:23 UTC
I really don't care anymore about eve skunk. I used to think it affected me, but an informed alliance can make better alliance mails that do not give out juicy intel. The less-informed, less forum-warrior alliances will be the ones who do not know about this and will suffer due to it.

yeah, my alliance is in that site but I am out of fucks to give.
Loose End
The Big Bambu
#249 - 2012-05-03 22:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Loose End
The person who started this thread needs to go back to where the rainbows are still double and the unicorns still thrive...all that has been accomplished here is the fine tuning of a new way to WHINE about EvE
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#250 - 2012-05-04 03:40:44 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Mario Rin wrote:
Consider postal mail, you send a physical letter to someone, you have no control over how they duplicate, divulge, and distribute copies of that letter. Why do you believe that a game communication should be held to different standards than a physical communication?

Bad example.
Making a private letter public is illegal in some countries, at least in Germany it is.
While it is true that you don't have control over it, you can act against it once you are aware of it.


I'm not sure CCP even has a German office so unless there is some kind of EU wizardry that forces the UK to follow German laws, you are completely out of luck there.
Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#251 - 2012-05-04 14:42:04 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Mario Rin wrote:
Consider postal mail, you send a physical letter to someone, you have no control over how they duplicate, divulge, and distribute copies of that letter. Why do you believe that a game communication should be held to different standards than a physical communication?

Bad example.
Making a private letter public is illegal in some countries, at least in Germany it is.
While it is true that you don't have control over it, you can act against it once you are aware of it.


I'm not sure CCP even has a German office so unless there is some kind of EU wizardry that forces the UK to follow German laws, you are completely out of luck there.


Actually you already do follow some EU laws like consumer protection laws for example. So yes there is some EU magic in place but not for everything of course the OP is missing one thing.

In order for the privacy law to apply I think not really sure it has to be written under his real name or such but Bach this thread is bigger then I have expected in my wildest dreams.
Mario Rin
Independent Planets Military
#252 - 2012-05-04 17:27:49 UTC
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Mario Rin wrote:
Consider postal mail, you send a physical letter to someone, you have no control over how they duplicate, divulge, and distribute copies of that letter. Why do you believe that a game communication should be held to different standards than a physical communication?

Bad example.
Making a private letter public is illegal in some countries, at least in Germany it is.
While it is true that you don't have control over it, you can act against it once you are aware of it.


I'm not sure CCP even has a German office so unless there is some kind of EU wizardry that forces the UK to follow German laws, you are completely out of luck there.


Actually you already do follow some EU laws like consumer protection laws for example. So yes there is some EU magic in place but not for everything of course the OP is missing one thing.

In order for the privacy law to apply I think not really sure it has to be written under his real name or such but Bach this thread is bigger then I have expected in my wildest dreams.


I concede that in some jurisdictions the duplication, distribution, or divulging of the physical mail would violate the law. However, it would be the recipient that would be liable for the breach of privacy, not the copier manufacturer, the postal service, the person who sold the sender the stamps, or anyone who recieved a duplicate of that mail.

Only the recipient would be responsible, no other party or mechanism.

The recipient could then be sued in civil court. However, there would need to be damages in order to make a lawsuit feasible, unless you're only sueing for an injunction to prevent him doing it in the future. It'd make more sense just to avoid sending them any more letters that you didn't want distributed.


If you can identify the leak, use it to spread false intel. Send an alliance mail about a mining op, and create a mailing list of the other alliance members telling them to bring a standing fleet instead. Gank the Gankers.
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2012-05-04 18:21:59 UTC
I will sue the op for reading my post.
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#254 - 2012-05-04 18:22:10 UTC
It is private.
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#255 - 2012-05-04 18:22:22 UTC
So getout.
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2012-05-04 21:00:55 UTC
Sephira Galamore wrote:
Hauling Hal wrote:

Dear everyone and the OP missing the point,

An in-game character is not resident of any country on this planet, so their personal mails are not covered under the jurisdiction of any of Earth's legisation.

tl/dr I too think that it's a disgrace that JRR Tolkien publicly published conversations between Frodo and Gandalf.

Is that so? Did the character write this all by himself?
Wow, I must train my character to do some writing, too. Maybe some nice book will come out of it and then I can steal it from him, he certainly won't complain. And if he does, haha, I'll just biomass him.


The mail is owned by CCP, as is everything generated within the game. Next time I suggest that you read the EULA before you try to sound intelligent.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#257 - 2012-05-04 21:05:53 UTC
Is this thread really still alive? come on guys let it die

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MortisLegati
Everything Went Black
#258 - 2012-05-06 00:39:32 UTC
I refuse. It's hilarious watching people without legs hop around trying to slap each other.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#259 - 2012-05-06 00:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
If I choose to give out my API to the website so that everyone can read mails sent to me then that is my right.

There is NO promise of confidentiality on MY part.
I signed nothing stating I will not share what is given to me by others.

In other words no laws are broken.
Your argument will not hold up in any countries court.

In fact you would have to go after the API owner first not the web site.
And guess what there is no NON-disclosure clause.

And good luck trying to prove an implied non-disclosure agreement.
There is no precedent in a game that promotes , spying, corp / alliance theft, and AWOCing.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#260 - 2012-05-06 01:48:24 UTC
If your a REAL alliance you should already have several thousand dollars invested in out of game communication servers, if you can't pay you can't play simple as that.

Why would CCP hurt the IT firms who profit off communication services by fixing a security issue with their API?

Now with 100% less Troll.