EVE General Discussion

From what I gather it will now cost a flat 50M ISK to open a wardec, about + 500K per man and logistics ships will have aggression when RR’ing. Welp, I would like to offer CCP a few personal observations from someone who has been wredecing in empire for about as long as I have played EVE Online.

If I am currently misinformed please forgive my rant.
In any case, here we go!





CCP wants Wardecs to be a more meaningful commitment.

I do understand that tiny corporations are being constantly trolled by PVPbears and killboard padders. But I suspect that 50M isk + 500K per man is a bit steep. The problem is not necessarily the cost vs corporations that is the issue here, it is the exponential cost of wardecing any corporation or alliance that is successful.


If this goes live all you have done is create greater incentive to grief smaller starter corporations, because wardecing the larger and more successful ones becomes obscenely expensive. Successful organizations mind you, that should be better at defending themselves by default, over a starter corporation of noobs and a 20 man mining corporation.


Result

You have made empire MORE dangerous for the little guy, and you have created an unintentional (near) immunity for establishments that want to buff their numbers with 2 alts (per one account) and 5 alts (per 2 accounts). This is by no means preferable to what we have now

You have kind of "re-broke" the whole thing IMO.






Logistics Get Aggression


At the onset this seems like a good thing, that is until you hear what the players in game have to say about it. So far I have heard more then once "welp, we will just have to bring more neut RR". Like it or hate it, the Neut RR game mechanic has been around for so long that players have forgotten how to do it any other way. They feel like they need it like a crutch, and they will not be giving it up so easily.


Result

We will just be seeing more hard to jam, high resist, tiny sig radius guardians RR'ing one another around stations preventing kills.





How I Think We Can Buff Wardecs In General & Make Them More Meaningful



For starters, the guys who need to some buffer from an unending chain of cheap griefing wardecs are the little starter establishments, not the realy big and established ones. So I think you have got it backwards. And I do surmise that what we are seeing on singularity is advantageous to all of the null sec CSM's that we got stuck with, but I digress.


All people really need is a cool down period after a wardec to regain some assets. Let the wars last as long as the aggressor wants to pay for it, but give the non-wardecing corp a week off in the form of a cool down stasis to recover. A mechanic like this would help boost morale among the members of the unwilling corporation, because they are not stuck in station after 2,3,4 consecutive griefer decs. Everyone can use a break. (ofc if you have recently wardec'd someone this would obvious become void)



ISK per wardec is not really as good of a control as it may seem. I would like to see a mechanic that involves something other then pure isk governing who gets dec'd and who stays immune. I mean, why only factor in member count? How about average sec status, average ISK lost or killed in a given month, how long the war has lasted or even an establishment's kill:death ratio? Why is ISK the ONLY deciding factor when it comes to an establishments security in empire?



Guardians, those freaking guardians. Aggression is a good start, but I am of the opinion that they are more detrimental to people actually blowing up then anything else in the game. It is no different then because of falcon, and I will come right out and say that they probably should be nerfed a little bit. High resists, speed, tiny sig, unlimited capacitor and high sensor strength is a bit much on a ship that can send large RR out to 70KM.

PVP should not involve that kind of security, it should involve people exploding on both sides.
People need to get used to dieing more again.





Summary


Give a corporation that never wardecs anyone, and has no kills, a 1 week cool down stasis. But let the aggressor keep the war going as long as they can afford it.

Scrap the additional cost per man idea, and instead give us some kind of mechanic (like the fixed insurance payouts calculating average market value cost) where Kills:death, sec status and aggressiveness are taken into account in the initial dec fee. Make the dec fee increase per week, to make it more "Serious" to continue the war for a long term.


People need to die more, they do not need 8 large repair modules on them sitting on a station, coming from ships that possess such a desirable combination of attributes, tiny sig, high sensor strength, long range and infinite capacitor. Guardians need to be brought in line with the rest of the ships in EVE Online, just like Falcons were.




I do not want to see an EVE Online were large null sec alliance are immune from war, small corporations are just as targeted as they are today (if not worse) and people are compensating for RR aggression by bringing even more logi's to a stations undock. I DO NOT WANT ALPHA SHIPS to become the only legitimate method of PVP in EVE. That would just be stupid.



End rant.
Please someone tell me that I have all this stuff wrong, because it will make me a very happy panda.

Hey as long as goons... I mean CCP design the system it will have problems. Sorry but all we can do is adapt or quit until goons... I mean CCP stop ruining the game.

Yes, the issue that, in an attempt to remove cheese tactics such as decshielding and decshedding, they've actually made decshielding the default mechanic for wars is worrisome. The whole logic of “you pay for the number of targets” is completely missing the point of what wardeccers are looking for and what purpose wardecs are supposed to have. They are essentially completely contradicting their design goals through that linear cost formula.


As for neutral logis, I'm not entirely sure people have understood what is going to happen there (or maybe something has changed since it was last presented): neutral logis will have “suspect” status — they will be free to kill (without any means of retaliation) for anyone and everyone in the system. They will basically get a GCC, only without the CONCORD deadray coming down on them. The solution to “bring more logis” means that now there are more logis that are free killmails for anyone who wants to activate their guns — it'll be a very risky proposition.

I'm still feeling fairly certain that the solution people will move towards will be the one CCP is intending: that, yes, people will still bring logis (possibly more now than before), but they will not be neutrals — they will be valid war target from the second they undock.

"Oh god, my logi pilots have to know what they're doing and I can't pay pocket change for hundreds of targets anymore!"

You know where you don't have to pay ISK to kill people? Low, Null and WH space. Perhaps you should try leaving the crib.

So, uh, if i read this right, the new decshield is to have your altcorp dec you then end the war every week, if your suggestion is implemented?

What people like you, and people on the CSM... and thus CCP, does not understand. Is that many of us ******* hate null sec life, politics, your leadership, and the stupid mindless ******* blob. That is why we are not out there, it has nothing to do with how we choose to PVP.


If null sec was the only aspect of this game I would have no reason to continue playing it.
And I am most def not the only one who shares that opinion.

And yes, leave it to a goon troll to instantly figure out how to cheat a mechanic.
But there are ways around it, it would req to much effort from CCP's petition division however. So I'll drop this part.

I know, right? And I didn't even need to decshield :shobon: Imagine how fast the highsec people would have figured it out !

I don't follow your logic.

How is sitting on a station undock with a dozen friends in pimped out ships with neutral, unattackable logistics and off-grid boosters waiting for one poor fool to undock not "blobbing"?

It is far, far worse, to be completely blunt. It is one-sided, dull, and involves zero risk. Oh no, a bunch of people undocked! Whatever will we... oh right. Dock.

Isn't it like why 250 Hurricans is blobbing, but 50 titans is perfectly honorable?

It matters who you are. If you are the guy with RRs, it's perfectly fine. If not, it's blobbing.