EVE General Discussion

And the point I was making is that it's obviously incorrect to infer player preferences from security status populations. Simply saying "67% of characters are in high sec therefore 67% of players don't want PvP/want suicide ganking banned/don't want T2 production moved to 0.0" relies on a blatant fallacy.

Typical 0.0 attitude.

Everything always benefits you, so anyone complaining should just shut up, right?

I agree - I don't believe I ever said they did, my original response was to the person saying that "some large fraction of the hi-sec population is null sec alts" (implying population metrics meant nothing). . . .

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In your urgency to attack my statement you forgot one crucial thing: making sense.

So they were market bots. Which are even more universally hated than mining bots, because you can't even gank them and they can do even more stuff that humans can't. Any idea where the most mining bots were banned?

I have had similar thoughts about this and reached pretty much the same conclusion that you did. Many of the residents in high-sec space are there because they:

A: Are casual EVE players who do not have much invested in the game, and thus don't care much about elections.

B: Are newbies who don't yet fully understand the different game- and meta mechanics.

C: Are reluctant to be a part of a larger group of people.

It would be difficult to convince any of these demographics to join a single cause for the betterment of the game. Not to mention that living in Empire does not mean you all suddenly agree on the same things.

I do think there is one demographic that it should be possible to gather and make into some sort of power-structure. Independent mining and production corporations. Miners have been taking a severe beating these past years and I'd expect many of them will be ready to do whatever it takes to get some kind of rebalancing of their profession, and production corporations are deeply affected by all the various changes that CCP make and have certain common interests.

So yeah, you couldn't unite empire, but you could certainly build a fairly large group of people on the industry side of EVE.

Of course players cared, and of course feedback took place.

However it is a lot harder to ignore someone sitting across from your desk than it is to ignore badly written forum posts.

As for High Sec being riskier than Null...

When was the last time you got lost access to all your high sec assets because Sov changed hands and you are locked out of your station in Amarr?

When was the last time you couldn't mine, not because you know a gank squad is in the area for the day, but because there are a few thousand hostile pilots camping you in the station?

When was the last time you needed to form up with thousands of other players and engage in an hours long fleet battle just for the right to not be forced to move elsewhere?

The truth is, you wouldn't last a week in Null... and I suspect you realize that.

Yeah, I would never last in nullsec

I bet you wont believe me but I have been to 0.0 many times as early as 2005. That is why I "" at people saying it is hard, perhaps for the CEO, director and Alliance leader but for the common 0.0 dweller it is easier living than having the girl pick you up at the bars.


ie seeing a goon who started playing eve in 2011, joing goons same year troll forums and mocking high-sec dwellers is I'm afraid pretty damn sad and pathetic

Now regarding the rest of your argument, if I believe you then CSM is responsible for last years **** ups by CCP.

Logical, right? And fixes before CSM was a stab in the dark!

CSM must be more valuable than "you wish to cancel account? Please select reason and elaborate further", I don't think so, if it was that means CCP would have acted before more than 10% cancelled their subscriptions, you know, after they flew in the CSM for an emergency meeting after threads, polls, emails, podcasts, blogs and subs left...


I guess they were all poorly written, Mitannis's English changed all that.


PS: If 0.0 is such interest and fun for you may I recommend the in-game channel for recruitment or corp recruit forum? Most will let you into 0.0 with zero experience and if you are not a trial account

My agenda is simply.

Those who want to charge screaming insane gibberish at others are going to receive as much emotional pain as I can dish out till they stop.

Since the crybaby little girls that are the Goons are the current crop of screaming mouth breathers, they get my special attention.

It is a service I perform for the good of others.

The fact that I enjoy it has nothing to do with my enthusiasm.

You guys really need to decide if the CSM affects nothing, or if they are responsible for all the bad decisions CCP has made over the years.

You can't have it both ways, and makes it look suspiciously like you are trolling instead of trying to put across a logical argument.