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Possible Response to Griefers?

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Alestr Calmaine
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-05-03 12:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alestr Calmaine
I'm posting this here because it's an industry-related topic, that and because I have no idea what I'm doing.

I just wanted to ask a question: what would be the consequences of some sort of EVE-wide miners' strike? What would happen if every mining laser, everywhere, was switched off for say, six months or longer? Would anything happen? I read somewhere that CCP injects extra minerals into the market to balance out player-distribution, but if they didn't, if minerals only came from player-mining, what would be the effects on the EVE economy and gameplay in general?
I suppose people could reprocess unwanted mods to get more minerals, but I think Inferno promises that NPCs won't carry T1 loot anymore, so that might dry up pretty fast. I think anyone could guess that mineral prices would increase, but I want to know how it would affect things like ship-production, corp-wars and the huge sov-wars out in 0.0 space. I know the big alliances have their own miners, but I'm just theorising here. I'm thinking that, if the strike goes on long enough, ships and mods might become precious commodities, if they can't be replaced so easily, and the effect that has on EVE in general could be significant. I don't know, I'm sure there are dozens of gameplay-related reasons why this wouldn't work. But if for a moment, it did work, what would the consequences be if the griefers got their wish of a miner-free EVE? Would it be a better EVE?

But, that's just my idea, because miners get a lot of grief (see what I did there?!) though they are what keeps the fires of war burning. And since Hulkageddon is on I've had nothing much to do until my corp logs on.
Skorpynekomimi
#2 - 2012-05-03 12:26:55 UTC
What.

I don't hold with strike action. Just price your minerals higher and higher and higher for a few months, rather than just stopping mining.

Besides, it's only recent that mining IS the major source of minerals! Rogue drones and mission loot used to give obscene amounts in comparison.

Economic PVP

Andy DelGardo
#3 - 2012-05-03 12:34:20 UTC
Mining = entry level ISK + human greed = someone will always mine no matter what :p
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#4 - 2012-05-03 14:03:45 UTC
Impossible to prevent scabbers unless you become what you are trying to combat (Suiside ganker chasing miners).

Griefers are actually a benefical force to miners in the long run. Like predators to a herd of prey, they weed out the slow, inattentive and stupid ones while the smart, swift and adaptable ones live and can continue mining. The net effect is that there are fewer minerals on the market due to the dumb miners losing their ships and mining capacity...which means more ISK/hour for the intelligent miners who do survive and bring their wares to market.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Haulie Berry
#5 - 2012-05-03 15:04:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Oh, FFS, HTFU and stop thinking of anyone who does something you don't like as a "griefer".

It's insipid. You're playing a game where the rules allow - encourage, even - other players to do things that adversely affect you.

He shot at me! He's a griefer!

That guy undercut my market orders! Griefer!

That ******* put hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place! ******* griefer!

That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you.
Nevryn Takis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-03 15:44:09 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you.

A lot of the sensible ones are on strike ... sorry doing something more intelligent .. as to what happens .. exactly what will happen over the course of the next 6 weeks , mineral prices and hence ship prices will continue to sky-rocket, then they'll plateau and start to come down again, util the date for next years event is announced
Haulie Berry
#7 - 2012-05-03 15:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Nevryn Takis wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you.

A lot of the sensible ones are on strike ... sorry doing something more intelligent .. as to what happens .. exactly what will happen over the course of the next 6 weeks , mineral prices and hence ship prices will continue to sky-rocket, then they'll plateau and start to come down again, util the date for next years event is announced


Hulkageddon has historically had next-to-no effect on mineral prices. Mineral prices right now are up based on the removal of T1 module drops, the removal of alloys, the removal of Pax Amarria and, perhaps more than anything else, speculative hoarding.

They were up before Hulkageddon and have not gone up since it began. In fact, they have been coming down from the speculative price point in spite of Hulkageddon.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-05-03 18:17:49 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Nevryn Takis wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you.

A lot of the sensible ones are on strike ... sorry doing something more intelligent .. as to what happens .. exactly what will happen over the course of the next 6 weeks , mineral prices and hence ship prices will continue to sky-rocket, then they'll plateau and start to come down again, util the date for next years event is announced


Hulkageddon has historically had next-to-no effect on mineral prices. Mineral prices right now are up based on the removal of T1 module drops, the removal of alloys, the removal of Pax Amarria and, perhaps more than anything else, speculative hoarding.

They were up before Hulkageddon and have not gone up since it began. In fact, they have been coming down from the speculative price point in spite of Hulkageddon.

they've been coming down because of burn jita fyi

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#9 - 2012-05-03 18:28:59 UTC
People realise that the only thing that will really rise in price because of Hulkagedon is Tech right? 80% of isk cost in hulk production is tech. Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components.
India99
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-05-03 18:38:31 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components.


you forgot the Hulk BPO owners
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#11 - 2012-05-03 18:53:34 UTC
Joining the crusade to battle eco-terrorists who brutalize asteroids and litter the belts with their space junk containers is the best response.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-03 19:35:27 UTC
Good idea but people who don't mine for their primary isk/career would simply start mining once prices started to get high enough to be profitable. Remember that there are plenty of players who have alts, or have mining skills but never mine who would have no problem mining / selling minerals at the higher prices simply because the majority of career miners were on some type of strike.


Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2012-05-03 20:28:39 UTC
Everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions, or inaction.

If you are being bothered by griefers, you are doing something, or not doing something, to allow them to grief you.
Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#14 - 2012-05-03 23:13:44 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
they've been coming down because of burn jita fyi


Can you share the benefit of your wisdom and explain to us how blowing up a ton of ships and keeping people from the main trade hub have lowered prices?
Haulie Berry
#15 - 2012-05-03 23:50:10 UTC
Volar Kang wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
they've been coming down because of burn jita fyi


Can you share the benefit of your wisdom and explain to us how blowing up a ton of ships and keeping people from the main trade hub have lowered prices?


Trade volumes were down for a day or two. Were.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-05-04 01:10:29 UTC
Alestr Calmaine wrote:
I'm posting this here because it's an industry-related topic, that and because I have no idea what I'm doing.

I just wanted to ask a question: what would be the consequences of some sort of EVE-wide miners' strike?


stopped reading right there. the consequences would be me and other people disregarding the strike and making a fortune.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-04 01:13:12 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
IGriefers are actually a benefical force to miners in the long run. Like predators to a herd of prey, they weed out the slow, inattentive and stupid ones while the smart, swift and adaptable ones live and can continue mining.

and... reproduce?

I should buy an Ishtar.

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#18 - 2012-05-04 11:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
Daniel Plain wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
IGriefers are actually a benefical force to miners in the long run. Like predators to a herd of prey, they weed out the slow, inattentive and stupid ones while the smart, swift and adaptable ones live and can continue mining.

and... reproduce?


Well you see, when a miner, heavily laden with ore, comes to market and finds a suitable buy order, they couple and produce millions of tiny ISK. It's a beautiful sight to behold.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#19 - 2012-05-04 12:22:01 UTC
You would have a better chance of success herding cats than organising the miners of EvE.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#20 - 2012-05-04 12:41:53 UTC
I mined through the first four hulkegeddons and still have the same ship. This one had been a constant concern for months now. I never get this whole fear of mining in high sec thing. Now that ive moved back to null, it's all even more silly to me.

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