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Thief & Spy Checker (evespies.net)

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lost packet
Alpha Flight
#1 - 2012-05-02 17:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: lost packet
An additional resource for corporations to help identify spies, corp thiefs and awoxers:

As we have already seen quiet a bit of activity since initial post, please note reports are not automatically submitted, they are reviewed and should include proof. Reports such as " xxx emptied my corp wallet" will not get a listing without providing proof.

evespies.net

Comments/suggestions welcome Big smile
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#2 - 2012-05-02 20:55:25 UTC
Interesting. Except you don't explain why they made the list on your site other than one word (AWOXER | THIEF). I don't know you and have no reason to take you at your word. Lack of reviewable proof makes this no better than someone making a comment on this forum.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#3 - 2012-05-02 21:44:57 UTC
Guys like you completely fail to comprehend something: the corps who are being victimized by spies, thieves, and awoxers aren't using the existing tools (killboards and forums). Just look at the current thread on Vladriyne II: the character has a history of shooting corpmates, and was given access to a very shiny pinata of a ship.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

lost packet
Alpha Flight
#4 - 2012-05-02 21:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: lost packet
Thanks for reply, you're right in what you're saying too. Running eve search would yield similar results, the main source of the thieves list is the thieves of eve list started by Fitz a few years ago, with additional information on spies and awoxers from in game sources at the moment and threads with proof from c&p.

The idea behind me developing this was for a CEO (myself in the case) to be able to enter api details and have evespies.net be able to pull all members from the corp list and check each one against the database. More so in the case of corps within the alliance, whereby the executor can request api keys from CEOs and check all corps within the alliance against the database too.

What may have also been an idea, is if an email and api was used, a cronjob could be used to automatically notify ceos of anyone being added to the list which is in the corps.

There are a few other ideas I had in mind also, but I was trying to get a feel for whether this is a waste of time project or not.

The reasoning for me throwing this out there was to get feedback on what people would like to see implemented and how they would like it to grow (if at all). If you would like to be able to see the proof details then that is an idea which could well be implemented. Like I said it is pretty much an idea in progress.
Phoenix Bibbs
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#5 - 2012-05-03 15:11:48 UTC
I think this is a great tool for corp recruiters. I look forward to seeing more development.
Sugar Diick
Suddenly Violence
#6 - 2012-05-03 16:44:03 UTC
all i got when i typed my mains name is 'listed'
why no details of the atrocities i have committed?
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#7 - 2012-05-03 17:21:08 UTC
I like this. Even if one innocent person is listed for every 10 that are on this list. It would still be a useful tool.

Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke.

lost packet
Alpha Flight
#8 - 2012-05-03 20:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: lost packet
Thanks for replies all are appreciated. As I mentioned in above post the site was thrown out there as idea. The site was thrown together in a couple of hours, it actually took longer to review the thieves of eve list and input the names into the site.

Thank you for the guys who have already shown their support and the reports they have made, the valid ones with proof which have already been added.

I will keep the site as up to date as possible, and will look at spending a little more time on development with features and requests.

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all i got when i typed my mains name is 'listed'
why no details of the atrocities i have committed?


Because I didn't want too spend too much time on an idea which would be scrapped if everyone thought it was a lame. That and it's not meant to boost egos.

Quote:
I like this. Even if one innocent person is listed for every 10 that are on this list. It would still be a useful tool.


Thank you, I am trying to keep innocents off the list by requesting proof, which is the main reason submissions are not automatically accepted and have to be reviewed first.
Smegma Cheesedog
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-04 00:53:53 UTC
lost packet wrote:
An additional resource for corporations to help identify spies, corp thiefs and awoxers:

As we have already seen quiet a bit of activity since initial post, please note reports are not automatically submitted, they are reviewed and should include proof. Reports such as " xxx emptied my corp wallet" will not get a listing without providing proof.

evespies.net

Comments/suggestions welcome Big smile


learn to represent properly you fool.
quit bein a Carleton Banks actin idiot.

lost packet
Alpha Flight
#10 - 2012-05-08 12:04:06 UTC
Thanks to people who have shown support for this project Big smile
Moroccan Tourist
Blood Raider Cleaning Crew
#11 - 2012-05-08 14:41:04 UTC
You need an API registration , we need to know who posted what and why?
And i would prefer a website that's not managed or administrated by anyone tbh , with more social network tools comments and stuff , but its a good start, keep up !
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2012-05-09 00:22:38 UTC
lost packet wrote:
An additional resource for corporations to help identify spies, corp thiefs and awoxers:

As we have already seen quiet a bit of activity since initial post, please note reports are not automatically submitted, they are reviewed and should include proof. Reports such as " xxx emptied my corp wallet" will not get a listing without providing proof.

evespies.net

Comments/suggestions welcome Big smile


What is completely stupid about this whole site is that under "Report Pilot" it says that proof is required, such as screenshots, yadda yadda, but there is no way to upload them. Even if there was, I doubt there was any automatic engine to check for authenticity (i.e. common indicators of being photoshopped, etc.). Furthermore, there is no way to read the so-called "report" that was written up about them. This whole thing is megafail. You should've waited to fully develop the site before launching it and making yourself look incredibly inept.
lost packet
Alpha Flight
#13 - 2012-05-09 12:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: lost packet
Daemon Ceed wrote:

What is completely stupid about this whole site is that under "Report Pilot" it says that proof is required, such as screenshots, yadda yadda, but there is no way to upload them.

I hadn't actually even thought about taking direct uploads, there are services such as evefiles, photobucket etc which already provide free hosting. Other people have seemed to manage this Shocked

Daemon Ceed wrote:

Even if there was, I doubt there was any automatic engine to check for authenticity (i.e. common indicators of being photoshopped, etc.)

That's actually a pretty good idea Idea since there are some quite simple checks you can do for photoshopped images, which I hadn't even thought of tbh (such as reading exif information). There are still ways of altering the file information though to hide the fact, it would also prevent people from scaling images to make them smaller for upload - but the ideas out there.

Daemon Ceed wrote:

This whole thing is megafail. You should've waited to fully develop the site before launching it and making yourself look incredibly inept.

Well, I actually have a life and I also work for a living and get paid to do this ****. So unfortunately I was not really going to invest a **** load of time in to something being developed for free to get feedback saying "what is the point when we can use eve-search?" As I stated many times, the site was launched as a concept idea not as fully fledged solution and if there was weight in continued development then that would be an option.

Some very good ideas noted though, thank you.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2012-05-09 20:23:37 UTC
lost packet wrote:

Daemon Ceed wrote:

This whole thing is megafail. You should've waited to fully develop the site before launching it and making yourself look incredibly inept.

Well, I actually have a life and I also work for a living and get paid to do this ****. So unfortunately I was not really going to invest a **** load of time in to something being developed for free to get feedback saying "what is the point when we can use eve-search?" As I stated many times, the site was launched as a concept idea not as fully fledged solution and if there was weight in continued development then that would be an option.

Some very good ideas noted though, thank you.


If you really want a viable service that you could get paid for (at least via ISK) it should require the following things:

- A way of integrating in-game API data into a user database to both acknowledge subscription fees paid and automatically apply them to an account (say for an HR or CEO toon). Have the webserver do an API query every so often to check your wallet so that when a player signs up for an account it'll see if they paid the periodic ISK fee to use your service. This way you do get paid and can't complain that the service is subpar because you do it for free. You could potentially make boatloads of ISK if the system is easy to use, well presented, and fully functional.

- Reports that can be reviewed by the person doing a lookup on a name.

- A way of for those unjustly reported can dispute a claim that they are a spai. Anyone can say that anybody is a spai and tarnish their name. There should be some sort of way to dispute claims if you are to be considered a legitimate and useful service.

I only call this service megafail right now because it's not very useful atm. Not saying it couldn't be awesome! It very well could be, but it needs to be done right.
Darex Nidor
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-05-09 20:52:04 UTC
Nice datamining project.
lord xavier
Rubbed Out
#16 - 2012-05-10 00:56:23 UTC
=/ You should really be more definitive when listing people. Give a reason and source of why they are there.

C&P is getting too lax. What ever happened to "Proof or STFU"

Oh, btw, Proof of why each person is on there or STFU.
lost packet
Alpha Flight
#17 - 2012-05-10 01:26:31 UTC
lord xavier wrote:
=/ You should really be more definitive when listing people. Give a reason and source of why they are there.

C&P is getting too lax. What ever happened to "Proof or STFU"

Oh, btw, Proof of why each person is on there or STFU.


Thanks for all replies.

It's obvious that more information is required other than listed or not. I will take in to account the comments made above and make it more informative as for reasons people are listed with the comments made when they have been reported.

With reference to needing API in order to post reports, do you guys think this is also required then in order to confirm identity of people posting the reports? Would rather have majority opionion as opposed to needlessly collecting API details.