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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#81 - 2012-04-15 16:58:04 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
What strikes me is the overlap between the griefing and what my friends and I jokingly say is the message of dictators generally: "Don't have too much fun!!! Don't get too happy!! We will make you pay!!"

Now you're just being silly. Despite having our own dictator (right? I heard someone say that on EVE-O a very reliable source of information) he definitely likes us to be happy.

If you mean the people trying to blow us up, well you can have transfers and still be Pareto optimal, so it's not a big problem. Oh, but dictator, right, so that's even easier.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gloomy Gus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#82 - 2012-04-20 14:32:56 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
I've been thinking about this until the dust has settled in my head (call me whatever you want) and this event has changed me.

For five years I have bought the "this is just a game" stuff; not willingly and certainly not enough to grief anyone.

But the truth is that cyberbullying is cyberbullying. If you choose to do it in a game, you are REALLY still doing it, and the effect is still REAL on your victims. And surprisingly, you REALLY feel good about doing it.

What strikes me is the overlap between the griefing and what my friends and I jokingly say is the message of dictators generally: "Don't have too much fun!!! Don't get too happy!! We will make you pay!!"

Maybe you don't think of real human beings when you are griefing. Maybe you just feel the need to put a dent in someone's enjoyment. Is that it? Are you hating happiness? You just can't stand to see anyone having fun in an unarmed ship? You just can't stand to see people who don't suffer like you do actually having fun?

I accept that CCP says cyberbullying in EVE is okay. That is their decision, but consider this:

Some 3,000 peeps got on mumble in goonswarm. 3.000. wow. There is an entire universe out there to settle and develop and these 3,000 are dreaming of destroying the game?

Why make the game suckier than everyday stresses? You just hate love and happiness? Maybe you don't think it exists? Maybe you don't think that is fun?

Screw the cult of eternal suffering. I hope you are learning something.


I am. Paging Jade Constantine to this thread

"DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini "Gloomy Gus is literally a pocket" - Krixtal Icefluxor (former EVE Online player)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#83 - 2012-04-20 18:43:17 UTC
ConXtionS wrote:
Mr Mugged said "Misery? MISERY? My friends father died, and his mother became an alcoholic before ending her own life. That's misery! If you start beating your wife because you lose **** in a computer-game, it's time to find another game. 90% of the time you play, you are enjoying yourself, otherwise you would not be playing. You sir, should choose your words carefully, as linking misery to a ******* computer-game is so far off it's not even funny.
*******




Sir, Not everyone plays this game because mommy and daddy sent them to thier room for staying out past dark. Some of us, myself included have real life problems that we use eve to get away from. For some of us, getting up and going outside, or running to town with friends is not something we can manage every day. I for one cant even manage to get to eve every day. So for those of us whose lives already suck, the last thing we need is a bunch of people making a concerted effort to try and get us to kill ourselves.

Now your going to say "But he only picked on one person!" WRONG WRONG WRONG..



Here is what the goon speech was about quoted from the GOONS OWN MATERIAL..


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"The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance Presentation is going to be 'Goonswarm Hates you'. And basically just talk about each different little aspect... demographic of EVE. Of how much we hate and want people to die and kill themselves. Like, highsec miners: We want them to kill themselves. People who roleplay? We want them to kill themselves. People with Titans? We want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people who I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of a thousand nerds.
**********************************************



The goons leaders FIRST STRIKE TARGET was someone we all know now. Not because the guy hurt the goons in anyway, but because the guy was WEAK...

We were lucky to be honest that he chose to say this PUBLICALLY so we can work it out, but had he said it behind goonies closed doors hundreds if not thousands of sick minded people would have been picking on the guy to see if they could get him to kill himself

THAT IS MY PROBLEM...



Now, I am not smart enough to argue on how many people commit suicide becuase of being hassled in a game, but I think we all know that people at least BLAME ONLINE CRAP .... The even larger point tho is, WHY ARE PEOPLE DEFENDING THE "RIGHT" TO TRY TO GET SOMEONE TO KILL THEMSELVES?????



As far as feeling BULLILED or INTIMIDATED .... Again, WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING YOUR RIGHT TO BULLY??? Why are the other gamers supposed to "SUCKUP" whatever kind of trash goonies want to sling??? You are correct tho, people can stop paying to play the game, then you will have to find another place to bully.



So there you have it. I have YET TO SEE ONE PERSON who can explain why its "ACCEPTABLE" to allow goons to TARGET people they dont like and "want them to kill themselves". Again, not my words, goon words. I have yet to see one person who can explain how it makes the game better for everyone. It sounds to me like only the bullys want it.

CCP has the power and hopefully the brains to inforce thier own rules, just because people break the rules doesnt mean that its a GOOD THING...

I am not asking for hello kitty. I am asking to remove the insane vileness... Anything close to "I want you to kill yourself" does not belong in a game. Taking over coms that people pay for with thier real life money does not belong in a game. FIght hard, fight clever, no problem, but leave it in the game...



As for misery, Im pretty sure I know exactly what it is... I live it every damn day


Con


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I

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Coda Grimoire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-04-21 15:54:29 UTC
Now you're just being silly. Despite having our own dictator (right? I heard someone say that on EVE-O a very reliable source of information) he definitely likes us to be happy

The human issue here is not silly, even if I am

The issue is sadistic behavior in a video game. If you've been on the receiving end you quickly realize that it has nothing to do with the game at all. This is a cult of cruelty (muwahahaha, kill yourself, loser) that is sitting in a game meant for simulating the development of space in a capitalist based competitive economy. We have "opponents" in the game. We fight

We can argue about the definition, but everyone knows griefing is and where the line is

No one thinks game designers built this game for sado/masochism, but here you are! Guess you have to be somewhere. Better you in game than doing this stuff out of the game. oh, wait.....

So, silly me. These encounters are "happy" for you and miserable for the other guy, is that what you mean: he wants us to be happy?

That's the issue. I don't think anyone really calls this stuff "gameplay". Feeding on another's emotions with an appetite for cruelty is usually the domain of "two consenting adults"

In the game, it is really a personal assault against another human being that is illegal and disqualifying in games historically. Most of us got straightened out on that issue by about...oh...say...three years old. I actually remember my dad biting me after I bit my brother. It was the wake up call of my life. "How do you like that?" he asked. I didn't. I haven't bitten anyone since.

Maybe you just need to be on the receiving end to really know what you are doing? Dunno. Mittani is trying to act like a griefed victim for no reason. How ironic. Why not have griefing tourneys among griefers, let the rest of us play the game we are paying to play. Surely you can find some way to have fun without torturing the unsuspecting....uh....maybe not.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#85 - 2012-04-21 16:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
We just get blueballed so it's unhappy for everyone.

At least the superrifters can shoot POS instead of never logging in. And the supervexxors can shoot stations.

Shooting structures is an acquired taste, like the stories one might hear while shooting said structures.

Hey guys, did I tell he time I won a bestFC award for shooting structures so hard and so fast people were scrambling to put up towers? It's totally not a euphemism for~prowress~. Load structure shoot ammo and lets "teach those POSes who're their bosses."

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#86 - 2012-04-21 17:14:04 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
Now you're just being silly. Despite having our own dictator (right? I heard someone say that on EVE-O a very reliable source of information) he definitely likes us to be happy

The human issue here is not silly, even if I am

The issue is sadistic behavior in a video game. If you've been on the receiving end you quickly realize that it has nothing to do with the game at all. This is a cult of cruelty (muwahahaha, kill yourself, loser) that is sitting in a game meant for simulating the development of space in a capitalist based competitive economy. We have "opponents" in the game. We fight

We can argue about the definition, but everyone knows griefing is and where the line is

No one thinks game designers built this game for sado/masochism, but here you are! Guess you have to be somewhere. Better you in game than doing this stuff out of the game. oh, wait.....

So, silly me. These encounters are "happy" for you and miserable for the other guy, is that what you mean: he wants us to be happy?

That's the issue. I don't think anyone really calls this stuff "gameplay". Feeding on another's emotions with an appetite for cruelty is usually the domain of "two consenting adults"

In the game, it is really a personal assault against another human being that is illegal and disqualifying in games historically. Most of us got straightened out on that issue by about...oh...say...three years old. I actually remember my dad biting me after I bit my brother. It was the wake up call of my life. "How do you like that?" he asked. I didn't. I haven't bitten anyone since.

Maybe you just need to be on the receiving end to really know what you are doing? Dunno. Mittani is trying to act like a griefed victim for no reason. How ironic. Why not have griefing tourneys among griefers, let the rest of us play the game we are paying to play. Surely you can find some way to have fun without torturing the unsuspecting....uh....maybe not.



Oh hey, it's another "virtual sociopathy = RL sociopathy" person. Maybe you should spend some more time dwelling on the difference between reality and fantasy. I don't think you have that concept quite worked out yet.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Coda Grimoire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-05-01 13:23:15 UTC
Maybe you should spend some more time dwelling on the difference between reality and fantasy. I don't think you have that concept quite worked out yet.

hmmmm the difference between reality and fantasy is a "concept"? Good for you. That's a start. What comes after a concept, an idea? Then, maybe some experimental stuff; analysis, judgement, process of elimination -- that sort of stuff -- I guess we call that learning.

And boom! You get a glimpse of uh...oh yea, reality. But you do have to come out of a total fantasy world to taste it. Just my experience.

Congrats on reaching the concept stage. No need to insult anyone about it. We all get there sooner or later. P

(this post brought to you by unexpected game shutdown)
Susie Chow
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-05-02 07:41:21 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
Maybe you should spend some more time dwelling on the difference between reality and fantasy. I don't think you have that concept quite worked out yet.

hmmmm the difference between reality and fantasy is a "concept"? Good for you. That's a start. What comes after a concept, an idea? Then, maybe some experimental stuff; analysis, judgement, process of elimination -- that sort of stuff -- I guess we call that learning.

And boom! You get a glimpse of uh...oh yea, reality. But you do have to come out of a total fantasy world to taste it. Just my experience.

Congrats on reaching the concept stage. No need to insult anyone about it. We all get there sooner or later. P

(this post brought to you by unexpected game shutdown)





Maybe you could walk me through all the thoughts that occurred between these paragraphs but somehow didn't make it into your post.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#89 - 2012-05-02 11:12:03 UTC
I don't see what all the controversy is about. He did a Bad Thing™ and got a suitable 'punishment'. Seems to me like the system works.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#90 - 2012-05-02 14:18:11 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
I don't see what all the controversy is about. He did a Bad Thing™ and got a suitable 'punishment'. Seems to me like the system works.


Pubbies are mad because they want actual blood and didn't get it.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Coda Grimoire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-05-03 14:56:01 UTC
"Pubbies are mad because they want actual blood and didn't get it."

This is cyberbullying. This has nothing to do with EVE or any game.

You are wasting your love, your time and shaping your future emotional health in a way you will replay over and over in your old age.

To be honest, I feel sorry for you stuck in this infinite loop of sadistic linguistics. You can keep your blood.

I wish you peace and love. Everyone I have ever spoken to wants that for their life.
Susie Chow
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-05-03 15:43:49 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
You are wasting your love, your time and shaping your future emotional health in a way you will replay over and over in your old age.

To be honest, I feel sorry for you stuck in this infinite loop of sadistic linguistics. You can keep your blood.
VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-05-03 18:19:17 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
"Pubbies are mad because they want actual blood and didn't get it."

This is cyberbullying. This has nothing to do with EVE or any game.

You are wasting your love, your time and shaping your future emotional health in a way you will replay over and over in your old age.

To be honest, I feel sorry for you stuck in this infinite loop of sadistic linguistics. You can keep your blood.

I wish you peace and love. Everyone I have ever spoken to wants that for their life.


i, too, am gay
Gloomy Gus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#94 - 2012-05-03 18:22:31 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
"Pubbies are mad because they want actual blood and didn't get it."

This is cyberbullying.


I'm not sure I understand how that's cyber-bullying.

"DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini "Gloomy Gus is literally a pocket" - Krixtal Icefluxor (former EVE Online player)
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-05-03 22:05:07 UTC
Coda Grimoire wrote:
Maybe you should spend some more time dwelling on the difference between reality and fantasy. I don't think you have that concept quite worked out yet.

hmmmm the difference between reality and fantasy is a "concept"? Good for you. That's a start. What comes after a concept, an idea? Then, maybe some experimental stuff; analysis, judgement, process of elimination -- that sort of stuff -- I guess we call that learning.

And boom! You get a glimpse of uh...oh yea, reality. But you do have to come out of a total fantasy world to taste it. Just my experience.

Congrats on reaching the concept stage. No need to insult anyone about it. We all get there sooner or later. P

(this post brought to you by unexpected game shutdown)






Video games are fantasy.

That place where you eat and sleep and poop and do all that other stuff is reality.

One place does not matter. If you dislike how you're being treated there, or think it's too much for you, you can leave whenever you like. This is done by turning off your computer, or finding something else to do on your computer.

The other place matters sometimes. If people are doing bad things to you there, you should seek legal help.

If you're confused about which is which, as you seem to be, then perhaps you should exit the forums and seek mental help.



Ultimately, I cannot feel bad for anyone that claims they're being victimized in a video game, especially a video game in which it is flat out stated that people being mean to each other is a vital part of the game. They have so many options to avoid it that claims they're being bullied are insulting to all the victims of actual bullying. You're one step down from that Yuki Ona nutcase who wanted to invite the Dalai Lama to play EVE to help promote peace here rather than trying to stop the ethnic cleansing of Tibet.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-05-03 22:27:57 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Coda Grimoire wrote:
Maybe you should spend some more time dwelling on the difference between reality and fantasy. I don't think you have that concept quite worked out yet.

hmmmm the difference between reality and fantasy is a "concept"? Good for you. That's a start. What comes after a concept, an idea? Then, maybe some experimental stuff; analysis, judgement, process of elimination -- that sort of stuff -- I guess we call that learning.

And boom! You get a glimpse of uh...oh yea, reality. But you do have to come out of a total fantasy world to taste it. Just my experience.

Congrats on reaching the concept stage. No need to insult anyone about it. We all get there sooner or later. P

(this post brought to you by unexpected game shutdown)






Video games are fantasy.

That place where you eat and sleep and poop and do all that other stuff is reality.

One place does not matter. If you dislike how you're being treated there, or think it's too much for you, you can leave whenever you like. This is done by turning off your computer, or finding something else to do on your computer.

The other place matters sometimes. If people are doing bad things to you there, you should seek legal help.

If you're confused about which is which, as you seem to be, then perhaps you should exit the forums and seek mental help.



Ultimately, I cannot feel bad for anyone that claims they're being victimized in a video game, especially a video game in which it is flat out stated that people being mean to each other is a vital part of the game. They have so many options to avoid it that claims they're being bullied are insulting to all the victims of actual bullying. You're one step down from that Yuki Ona nutcase who wanted to invite the Dalai Lama to play EVE to help promote peace here rather than trying to stop the ethnic cleansing of Tibet.



You might consider replacing the words "video game" with the words "real world".

I believe anyone could possibly say the exact same things with what they see go on in what is known as "the real world".

How a person acts in any venue is who a person is.

Just look at the actors in various films that acted like they were "in love" and end up having a "real world" thing. (Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie anyone?)

Plus, being bullied in the real world or imaginary shouldn't stop someone from doing what they enjoy most.
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-05-03 23:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang
Spikeflach wrote:

You might consider replacing the words "video game" with the words "real world".

I believe anyone could possibly say the exact same things with what they see go on in what is known as "the real world".

How a person acts in any venue is who a person is.

Just look at the actors in various films that acted like they were "in love" and end up having a "real world" thing. (Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie anyone?)

Plus, being bullied in the real world or imaginary shouldn't stop someone from doing what they enjoy most.


First point: No.

Second point: Somewhat I guess. People who whine about things that happen in a world where it doesn't really matter must be complete tools in real life.

Third point: That's very true, I mean look at all the people Anthony Hopkins has eaten or Christian Bale has dismembered while listening to Huey Lewis and the News.

Fourth Point: What I love is suicide ganking people, and you're cyber-bullying me by trying to get me to stop. Any place where people have to interact, they're going to bump up against each other. If suicide ganking is that intolerable to you, find a game where behavior like that is prohibited and play it. CCP flat out states that suicide ganking, scamming, and all those other mean things are allowed, and by playing their game you consent to their rules. Deal with it.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-05-04 05:43:15 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:

You might consider replacing the words "video game" with the words "real world".

I believe anyone could possibly say the exact same things with what they see go on in what is known as "the real world".

How a person acts in any venue is who a person is.

Just look at the actors in various films that acted like they were "in love" and end up having a "real world" thing. (Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie anyone?)

Plus, being bullied in the real world or imaginary shouldn't stop someone from doing what they enjoy most.


First point: No.

Second point: Somewhat I guess. People who whine about things that happen in a world where it doesn't really matter must be complete tools in real life.

Third point: That's very true, I mean look at all the people Anthony Hopkins has eaten or Christian Bale has dismembered while listening to Huey Lewis and the News.

Fourth Point: What I love is suicide ganking people, and you're cyber-bullying me by trying to get me to stop. Any place where people have to interact, they're going to bump up against each other. If suicide ganking is that intolerable to you, find a game where behavior like that is prohibited and play it. CCP flat out states that suicide ganking, scamming, and all those other mean things are allowed, and by playing their game you consent to their rules. Deal with it.


I never said anything about making you stop doing anything and i said nothing about the things you said as breaking any kind of rules CCP has set forth.

Not sure why you said no to my first point. At least in my eyes replacing those words looks pretty much exactly like something you see in the real world.

Yes, there are "bad guys" in movies that don't actually do terrible deeds in the real world. There are laws and some basic human ethics that people in the "real world" usually tend to follow. But many relationships where actors had to "act" like they loved each other, or "act" like friends have brought forth many "real world" relationships.

I'm just saying from experience in eve that many "conflicts" go beyond simple "roleplay". Most people who are being jerks to players are actually being a jerk instead of "roleplaying".

Honestly I don't know who you are and this next sentence is really for any eve player.

Try spending the day playing eve like you normally would, but "act" like the way you really are in the "real world".

See if you are the same in the real world as you are in eve or totally different.
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-05-04 07:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang
Spikeflach wrote:

I never said anything about making you stop doing anything and i said nothing about the things you said as breaking any kind of rules CCP has set forth.

Not sure why you said no to my first point. At least in my eyes replacing those words looks pretty much exactly like something you see in the real world.

Yes, there are "bad guys" in movies that don't actually do terrible deeds in the real world. There are laws and some basic human ethics that people in the "real world" usually tend to follow. But many relationships where actors had to "act" like they loved each other, or "act" like friends have brought forth many "real world" relationships.

I'm just saying from experience in eve that many "conflicts" go beyond simple "roleplay". Most people who are being jerks to players are actually being a jerk instead of "roleplaying".

Honestly I don't know who you are and this next sentence is really for any eve player.

Try spending the day playing eve like you normally would, but "act" like the way you really are in the "real world".

See if you are the same in the real world as you are in eve or totally different.


Ok, again.

So the real world is fantasy and video games are where you poop and eat? Or if you're referring to my final statement, in the real world people being mean to each other is not vital, necessary, or wanted. In EVE Online it's necessary because otherwise nothing at all happens. There're no villains, no drama, nothing beyond mining and missioning and that's boring. Whenever you feel like it's too much, you can turn it off and escape all the bad people. Or switch to a different character. Or just put the mean people on ignore. Worst case scenario is you've lost some assets in a video game. Big whoop, I lost a supercarrier once that I spent months earning the isk for, lost my pod with a fortune in implants, and got taunted in local about it. That was a part of the game, and I accepted it because sometimes just winning all the time gets boring. It's losing big every now and then that makes winning fun. In real life, you can't escape bullies, you can't just turn off or switch to someone else, and if you lose your house or you car or your health you're screwed. So no, you're totally wrong, or you're a sociopath and totally wrong. Either way claiming the two can be swapped is idiotic and my point stands.

Two, you agree actors don't do bad things in real life just because they play a bad guy in a movie. This directly refutes your point, and I don't see why you continue arguing. You do though, you claim that because actors pretend to be in love in a movie they fall in love in real life, therefore when people pretend to be bad in a video game they are bad in real life. Do you have any grasp of human emotion at all? When two attractive, single people spend extended amounts of time together, sometimes they end up screwing. That's it. Moreso, there're plenty of actors that behave like friends but can't stand each other in real life as well. For instance, Penn and Teller never speak outside of work even though they've worked together for years. Nimoy and Shatner did not like each other during Star Trek. David Duchovny did not like Gillian Anderson. There're plenty of other examples. Actors act, and people in a video game are free to act as well. Some are jerks in real life, but plenty are perfectly nice folks.

I'm not going to act in real life like I do in EVE because doing what I do in EVE to people in real life would be terrible. I'm a nice guy in real life, I don't like or want to hurt people, because the stuff we do in real life matters. Real life and video games are not the same thing and part of being an adult is being able to separate the two. Look at people that play villains in Dungeons and Dragons or take the evil route in single player games. They do this because it adds to the story or because it gives them a perspective they would normally never want to experience.

The one thing that is the same between me in EVE and me in real life is that I hate when people are being dumb. You are being dumb. Go somewhere else and do that.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-05-04 16:19:48 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:

I never said anything about making you stop doing anything and i said nothing about the things you said as breaking any kind of rules CCP has set forth.

Not sure why you said no to my first point. At least in my eyes replacing those words looks pretty much exactly like something you see in the real world.

Yes, there are "bad guys" in movies that don't actually do terrible deeds in the real world. There are laws and some basic human ethics that people in the "real world" usually tend to follow. But many relationships where actors had to "act" like they loved each other, or "act" like friends have brought forth many "real world" relationships.

I'm just saying from experience in eve that many "conflicts" go beyond simple "roleplay". Most people who are being jerks to players are actually being a jerk instead of "roleplaying".

Honestly I don't know who you are and this next sentence is really for any eve player.

Try spending the day playing eve like you normally would, but "act" like the way you really are in the "real world".

See if you are the same in the real world as you are in eve or totally different.


Ok, again.

So the real world is fantasy and video games are where you poop and eat? Or if you're referring to my final statement, in the real world people being mean to each other is not vital, necessary, or wanted. In EVE Online it's necessary because otherwise nothing at all happens. There're no villains, no drama, nothing beyond mining and missioning and that's boring. Whenever you feel like it's too much, you can turn it off and escape all the bad people. Or switch to a different character. Or just put the mean people on ignore. Worst case scenario is you've lost some assets in a video game. Big whoop, I lost a supercarrier once that I spent months earning the isk for, lost my pod with a fortune in implants, and got taunted in local about it. That was a part of the game, and I accepted it because sometimes just winning all the time gets boring. It's losing big every now and then that makes winning fun. In real life, you can't escape bullies, you can't just turn off or switch to someone else, and if you lose your house or you car or your health you're screwed. So no, you're totally wrong, or you're a sociopath and totally wrong. Either way claiming the two can be swapped is idiotic and my point stands.

Two, you agree actors don't do bad things in real life just because they play a bad guy in a movie. This directly refutes your point, and I don't see why you continue arguing. You do though, you claim that because actors pretend to be in love in a movie they fall in love in real life, therefore when people pretend to be bad in a video game they are bad in real life. Do you have any grasp of human emotion at all? When two attractive, single people spend extended amounts of time together, sometimes they end up screwing. That's it. Moreso, there're plenty of actors that behave like friends but can't stand each other in real life as well. For instance, Penn and Teller never speak outside of work even though they've worked together for years. Nimoy and Shatner did not like each other during Star Trek. David Duchovny did not like Gillian Anderson. There're plenty of other examples. Actors act, and people in a video game are free to act as well. Some are jerks in real life, but plenty are perfectly nice folks.

I'm not going to act in real life like I do in EVE because doing what I do in EVE to people in real life would be terrible. I'm a nice guy in real life, I don't like or want to hurt people, because the stuff we do in real life matters. Real life and video games are not the same thing and part of being an adult is being able to separate the two. Look at people that play villains in Dungeons and Dragons or take the evil route in single player games. They do this because it adds to the story or because it gives them a perspective they would normally never want to experience.

The one thing that is the same between me in EVE and me in real life is that I hate when people are being dumb. You are being dumb. Go somewhere else and do that.


I'm sorry if you are not understanding what i am trying to get at.

I am just saying that these supposed things that only apply to video games like eve do actually exist in the real world that you speak of.

One thing these online MMOs don't show is the person you are playing against, as do most games online any person plays. So a person playing against you can't actually see that you are this nice guy you speak of, instead they only see the dark side, or the side where you seem to insist that I am dumb.

If, say, you were sitting next to a person while playing some FPS on a console and you started spouting things like that , it probably wouldn't go over well. Unless they actually knew you were this nice guy you say you are and decide that you are just kidding around.

Like i said, I don't know you, and you don't know me. Your actions and responses here do compare to what is seen in the real world with real face to face contact. (or face to fist for some I suppose)

People are quick to assume. I'm sure you know the saying that goes with that.