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Kidnapped! Escalation (part 4 losec)
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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#1 - 2012-05-03 08:08:13 UTC
Ok so this is about the 3rd time I've run this escalation.

I've destroyed the station, and yet again, there is no final spawn or reinforcement captain? What gives?

I raised a petition for this, as this expedition seems to be bugged, but all I got back was "Its working as intended, the faction spawn isn't guaranteed to come".

What? But there was no final wave, nothing. Complete BS.

Anyone else had same issue with this one?

I don't think I'm going to bother running part 4 again if I get it, you risk getting into losec to do expedition have to sit there for ages pounding a station, and get nothing at the end.. MEH.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-03 08:31:51 UTC
random number generator is random
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#3 - 2012-05-03 10:16:41 UTC
Oh noesSad
I didn't get shiniesShocked
To the forumsIdea
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#4 - 2012-05-03 11:12:42 UTC
So (Ignoring the troll) you've seen the same thing - the final spawn doesn't come sometimes?

I expected to at least see the spawn (i.e. BCs missile turrets etc), not necessarily the faction cruiser.

Like it says in wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kidnapped.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#5 - 2012-05-03 12:29:03 UTC
A troll.....that's nice.

It's not like you raised a petition and already got your answer.
It's not like it is a well known fact that most things related to exploration are RANDOM.
It's not like this is a millionth thread about similar subject.

No. You had to come to the forums and whine for a bit.Roll

If your post would look like this (without all this whine and attention whoring):
"Hey guys. I can't get overseer spawn in Kidnapped expedition. Is it random or am I doing something wrong?"

Then it would deserve a serious answer.

Change your attitude mate. You are on EVEO forums. Making whiny threads about anything will make you look silly ( at the very least ) and it won't make people to treat you seriously.

Have fun Blink
Malamber
Venomous Cloud
#6 - 2012-05-03 15:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Malamber
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Then it would deserve a serious answer.

Change your attitude mate. You are on EVEO forums. Making whiny threads about anything will make you look silly ( at the very least ) and it won't make people to treat you seriously.

Have fun Blink

But then douche's like you wouldn't have a home!

On topic... this is more part of the broken mission system, than a RNG thing. It's not explained clearly what to expect. It infers one thing... and then nothing happens.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#7 - 2012-05-03 15:10:54 UTC
Yes, all I was after really was if people had actually run this expedition, and what their result was (not speculation from those who have not nor trolly posts). Either the chances of the final spawn are really low, or the last group is meant to appear, and its the overseer that is not guaranteed to appear.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#8 - 2012-05-03 16:03:33 UTC
Malamber wrote:

But then douche's like you wouldn't have a home!


A troll and a douche......now that's just adorable.
In all my years of posting on many different gaming forums, thousands upon thousands of posts and I have never been called those naughty names. You actually managed to achieve something here.Lol

@OP :
You missed my point mate. It's not a matter of asking questions but the way of asking those questions. Instead of simple question your post is full of whine.
Was that really needed?
If you had asked your questions without those unnecessary additions you would have got your answers in a polite, informative manner and without this "trolling" as you call it ( wrongly ).

And to answer your question :
ArrowIn most hisec complexes ( including expeditions ) factions spawns are not guaranteed ( generally - higher level means higher chance so it goes like : Hideout < Lookout < Watch < Vigil )
ArrowIn most hisec expedition final sites - overseers are NOT guaranteed and even when they spawn they are not guaranteed to drop good stuff.
ArrowOverseers will always spawn in DED sites ( unless there is an overseer structure there ).
ArrowThere is some randomness in rat spawns in different sites so sometimes you can see different rats ( to a slight extent ) in those sites.
ArrowAs far as "Kidnapped!" expedition goes - it is random although the chance is quite high ( when I was still doing hisec stuff I USUALLY got the overseer here )
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2012-05-04 03:17:48 UTC
You should make a forum thread crying about it.

Owai....
Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-05-04 04:38:40 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Malamber wrote:

But then douche's like you wouldn't have a home!


A troll and a douche......now that's just adorable.
In all my years of posting on many different gaming forums, thousands upon thousands of posts and I have never been called those naughty names. You actually managed to achieve something here.Lol

@OP :
You missed my point mate. It's not a matter of asking questions but the way of asking those questions. Instead of simple question your post is full of whine.
Was that really needed?
If you had asked your questions without those unnecessary additions you would have got your answers in a polite, informative manner and without this "trolling" as you call it ( wrongly ).

And to answer your question :
ArrowIn most hisec complexes ( including expeditions ) factions spawns are not guaranteed ( generally - higher level means higher chance so it goes like : Hideout < Lookout < Watch < Vigil )
ArrowIn most hisec expedition final sites - overseers are NOT guaranteed and even when they spawn they are not guaranteed to drop good stuff.
ArrowOverseers will always spawn in DED sites ( unless there is an overseer structure there ).
ArrowThere is some randomness in rat spawns in different sites so sometimes you can see different rats ( to a slight extent ) in those sites.
ArrowAs far as "Kidnapped!" expedition goes - it is random although the chance is quite high ( when I was still doing hisec stuff I USUALLY got the overseer here )


Despite the fact you come off as a douche, you are right
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#11 - 2012-05-04 07:08:43 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:


@OP :
You missed my point mate. It's not a matter of asking questions but the way of asking those questions. Instead of simple question your post is full of whine.
Was that really needed?
If you had asked your questions without those unnecessary additions you would have got your answers in a polite, informative manner and without this "trolling" as you call it ( wrongly ).

And to answer your question :
ArrowIn most hisec complexes ( including expeditions ) factions spawns are not guaranteed ( generally - higher level means higher chance so it goes like : Hideout < Lookout < Watch < Vigil )
ArrowIn most hisec expedition final sites - overseers are NOT guaranteed and even when they spawn they are not guaranteed to drop good stuff.
ArrowOverseers will always spawn in DED sites ( unless there is an overseer structure there ).
ArrowThere is some randomness in rat spawns in different sites so sometimes you can see different rats ( to a slight extent ) in those sites.
ArrowAs far as "Kidnapped!" expedition goes - it is random although the chance is quite high ( when I was still doing hisec stuff I USUALLY got the overseer here )


And once again you've missed the point too mate.

Let me make it simple for you.

Has the final spawn wave appeared? Is it linked with the appearance of the overseer or not?




Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2012-05-04 07:38:11 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:


@OP :
You missed my point mate. It's not a matter of asking questions but the way of asking those questions. Instead of simple question your post is full of whine.
Was that really needed?
If you had asked your questions without those unnecessary additions you would have got your answers in a polite, informative manner and without this "trolling" as you call it ( wrongly ).

And to answer your question :
ArrowIn most hisec complexes ( including expeditions ) factions spawns are not guaranteed ( generally - higher level means higher chance so it goes like : Hideout < Lookout < Watch < Vigil )
ArrowIn most hisec expedition final sites - overseers are NOT guaranteed and even when they spawn they are not guaranteed to drop good stuff.
ArrowOverseers will always spawn in DED sites ( unless there is an overseer structure there ).
ArrowThere is some randomness in rat spawns in different sites so sometimes you can see different rats ( to a slight extent ) in those sites.
ArrowAs far as "Kidnapped!" expedition goes - it is random although the chance is quite high ( when I was still doing hisec stuff I USUALLY got the overseer here )


And once again you've missed the point too mate.

Let me make it simple for you.

Has the final spawn wave appeared? Is it linked with the appearance of the overseer or not?






Not being able to see the code of the site, Maybe and Maybe, respectively. Have fun demanding things from strangers.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#13 - 2012-05-04 07:53:12 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:

Let me make it simple for you.

Now you are trying to be rude. It isn't working as intended. Take a chill pill.Blink

Hazen Koraka wrote:

Has the final spawn wave appeared?

I said :
"ArrowThere is some randomness in rat spawns in different sites so sometimes you can see different rats ( to a slight extent ) in those sites."

To be more specific :
"ArrowThere is some randomness in rat spawns in different sites so sometimes you can see different rats/waves ( to a slight extent ) in those sites and sometimes rats don't spawn (just like faction/overseer)."

Hazen Koraka wrote:

Is it linked with the appearance of the overseer or not?

I admit I missed that one. My bad.

The overseer here is not linked to final wave. It can spawn after you destroy the station but I remember that it also spawned right before station's destruction several times.
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
#14 - 2012-05-04 07:56:54 UTC
Finally, an answer... thanks.

Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html
Shaen Vesuvius
Redcoats
#15 - 2012-05-04 08:04:46 UTC
lol Hazen

Don't bother asking these questions on the forum. You hardly ever get a normal response.

Got a Q, u know where to find me. U might even end up getting one back on me.;)
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#16 - 2012-05-04 08:13:52 UTC
Hazen Koraka wrote:
Finally, an answer... thanks.

Oh come on. You know you would like to draw it for a little bit longerLol
Where's the fun in asking and getting instant answer without some scuffling?Blink
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2012-05-04 08:18:33 UTC
Shaen Vesuvius wrote:
lol Hazen

Don't bother asking these questions on the forum. You hardly ever get a normal response.

Got a Q, u know where to find me. U might even end up getting one back on me.;)



Whenever I ask things nicely and show what work I've done to see if the topic's already been covered, I get nice, helpful answers.

Like:
Quote:
I've been doing the Kidnapped Escalation chain a few times and I haven't seen the final spawn that the guide mentions.
I've looked for other guides using Google and haven't found anything new about the spawn that's not showing up.
Does anyone know if the final wave is guaranteed to spawn or if it only spawns to accompany the Overseer?



Notice how I am clear and concise, and show that I have put some effort into figuring out what the problem is. I also show some understanding that the RNG may, in fact, be random.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#18 - 2012-05-04 08:25:53 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Shaen Vesuvius wrote:
lol Hazen

Don't bother asking these questions on the forum. You hardly ever get a normal response.

Got a Q, u know where to find me. U might even end up getting one back on me.;)



Whenever I ask things nicely and show what work I've done to see if the topic's already been covered, I get nice, helpful answers.

Like:
Quote:
I've been doing the Kidnapped Escalation chain a few times and I haven't seen the final spawn that the guide mentions.
I've looked for other guides using Google and haven't found anything new about the spawn that's not showing up.
Does anyone know if the final wave is guaranteed to spawn or if it only spawns to accompany the Overseer?



Notice how I am clear and concise, and show that I have put some effort into figuring out what the problem is. I also show some understanding that the RNG may, in fact, be random.


Now that is a GOOD post. Thank you kind sir for your input.
Shaen Vesuvius
Redcoats
#19 - 2012-05-04 08:51:26 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Shaen Vesuvius wrote:
lol Hazen

Don't bother asking these questions on the forum. You hardly ever get a normal response.

Got a Q, u know where to find me. U might even end up getting one back on me.;)



Whenever I ask things nicely and show what work I've done to see if the topic's already been covered, I get nice, helpful answers.

Like:
Quote:
I've been doing the Kidnapped Escalation chain a few times and I haven't seen the final spawn that the guide mentions.
I've looked for other guides using Google and haven't found anything new about the spawn that's not showing up.
Does anyone know if the final wave is guaranteed to spawn or if it only spawns to accompany the Overseer?



Notice how I am clear and concise, and show that I have put some effort into figuring out what the problem is. I also show some understanding that the RNG may, in fact, be random.
Shaen Vesuvius
Redcoats
#20 - 2012-05-04 08:52:22 UTC
lol the forum ate my post
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