EVE General Discussion

Soooo...

What about the "hi-sec industrialist" with 7 accounts? Or my favorite the guy I met while I was in Uni (he was obviously a much older toon) who had 25 accounts? There are, I'm sure, any number of variations on the theme... All we *know* are the numbers we've been given... (I have not identified him, because he's not involved in this conversation) - it used to be a standing joke that there were really only 5 people in the uni, everyone else was just this guys alts talking to each other....

Not saying you are in any way, shape or form wrong, just that it is speculation to argue that the 60+% in hi-sec are majority alts of null-sec'ers (or anyone else for that matter).

I think your right...



DAM PATOR TECH SCHOOL ALT POSTERS!
And - just for a change in pace; to the OP:

CCP is a business, regardless of *how much* influence any one group might (or might not) have on the developers, it is first, last and always a business. CCP will do pretty much what they think is best for the game. Subscriptions count more than all the threads we make ("watch what they do, not what they say...") - if CCP begins losing an appreciable number of accounts, they will take notice, and they have shown they will take action.

I think you're blowing this out of proportion...

I'm not saying anything about 7-account hi-sec guys except that few of them seem to have 0.0/W-space characters, and if they do there aren't many of them.

I'm just saying that a significant demographic of "hi-sec" characters belong to players who consider themselves "null sec", whereas the demographic of "0.0" characters that belong to players who consider themselves "hi-sec" is trivial.

My wild-assed guess would be that hi-sec is something like 20-30% populated by characters belonging to players who consider themselves as "low/null" and that less than 1% of characters in null belong to "hi-sec" players.

Almost empty quoting.

Someone read Adam Smith and believed him?

Wow.

Why don't you give us a lecture about The Consumer With Perfect Knowledge? Kind of like physics "Frictionless Surfaces".

Heh. I just close my office door. If anyone asks what's up, I tell them I am arguing on the Internet.

Is Adam Smith a Goon, and is he paying for Soundwave's house and his car and his kids' running shoes?

Because Eve-Online is. So as long as that's the case, I guess CCP employees' best interests are aligned with the success of the game as a whole, not one of its ephemeral in-game entities.

Hey GD. Long time no see. o/

Never read adam smith - but tbqh - everyone qq'ing about "goons" wrecking the game is getting under my skin. One of the "goons" biggest advantages has been in (super) cap ships (lately) - And Mittani and all the rest of the 0.0 inhabitants have lobbied, directly against their own best interests to get them nerfed...

So yeah, I think people are blowing they're "control" over ccp way out of line...

And my original point was that we *only* know for sure the numbers that CCP has put out, and nothing else. 2.2 accounts (average) per player, and the % break down of where people live...

Everything else is speculation...

Asuri it is not really speculation to those of us that have lived in high, low and null sec. I have been in high sec corporations, and low sec ones. I even joined a null sec power block for a few months.

I can assure you, the number of people in most high sec corps with their own personal scout alts etc. is relatively low. They also tend not to multi-box in PvE, only people I know who multi-box high sec PvE do it in incursions. And they are low sec/null sec alts anyway.

Two accounts is pretty much the minimum for almost everyone in null/low. Any less than that and you cannot even scout yourself from a to b.

*EDIT: Anyway, that is somewhat detracting from the point. The point is that those who consider themselves high sec players are very unlikely to have characters in low/null, whereas null sec players almost always have trading alts etc. in high sec. And more recently they also have incursion alts.