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L3 Missions kicking my ass

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-04-26 02:54:23 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Gianath wrote:


I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M BETTER AND STUPIDER THAN ANYONE (SNIP)


Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class



This is a game, not a foreign language course. You should really be encouraged to do whatever the hell you want - sure, you'll make mistakes along the way but you'll figure out where you went wrong by yourself...no bad thing, in my opinion.


He's posting on the forum asking for advice so he doesn't make stupid mistakes. Yes you can just try things till you get it right or maybe ask those who know and do it right the first time.
Rond Dorlezahn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-04-26 03:53:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rond Dorlezahn
Long overdue that I thank people for the helpful replies! I think I have a better grip on fitting Amarr ships overall now, and I'm well on my way to T2 tank. In the meantime, I'll be using my babby osprey to mine while running L2 missions in my Harby. Currently using the fit suggested first, and it definitely kept me alive longer in L3s, but I can see why people are recommending the T2 tank. It may be that I got into BCs too quickly, and I definitely don't want to repeat that mistake by moving up to Battleships. I'll be cruisin' in my gold dong for a while, now. Cool
AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#23 - 2012-04-26 07:44:00 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
L3s are the time where you really want to start fitting a T2 tank, imo. If you canĀ“t yet, you might want to make that a priority.



To be more specific:

Hull upgrades to lev 5
All armor compensation skills to 3 (atleast)

you can get there in 1 week so - im amazed why u aint there yet...

Itll make your life so much easier that you will wonder what you were doing in the first place not getting them...

I.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#24 - 2012-04-26 07:45:42 UTC
You can run L4s in a T1 tank easily enough. The standard dual rep domi works fine, for example. Slow as balls, but still better than L3s.

thhief ghabmoef

Koryvarn
Unscouted Inc
#25 - 2012-05-01 03:59:39 UTC
Running missions in Amar ships is painful stuff. I eventually gave up and trained Caldari for a Raven. With 200,000 SP in missiles and Caldari battleship 4, I was more effective than 8 million gunnery and Amarr BS 5.

These days, a Tengu is where it's at!
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#26 - 2012-05-01 05:47:28 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Gianath wrote:


I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M BETTER AND STUPIDER THAN ANYONE (SNIP)


Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class


After reading your abusively insulting quote job there, I think I see something much worse. A very insecure person who can't handle a difference of opinion.

LOTS of people skip battlecruisers and go straight for level 4's in low-skilled battleships, and they never regret it. I gave my opinion, which I have followed on multiple characters, while respecting everybody else's viewpoint. There's no one way to play Eve, and your way is not best. Lighten up, jerk.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-01 15:05:49 UTC
at 1 mill sp mate your in my opinion way to low to be doing lvl 3's wait till you have trained more and get yourself to around 4 - 5 mill sp on specific combat skills for your class of ships then do lvl 3's again
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#28 - 2012-05-01 17:05:40 UTC
Gianath wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
July Oumis wrote:
Please do yourself a favour and stay some time in L3 missions.

DO NOT go straight into a BS and level 4, after a while. Some L3 drop nice Loot like the meta 4 HM launcher or imps. If you get bored do some other stuff like exploration or low level pvp.

It will take about 6-10 months, until you can fly a Harbinger as it was meant.


Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class.



I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game while you let your skills accumulate for bigger goals. You do not have to fly a battleship perfectly either, as they have a huge amount of tank and are very forgiving of mistakes as long as you keep your exits open and have an option (i.e., drones) to remove fast scramming frigates from your near orbit. All it takes is learning the triggers and tricks of each mission, which eve-survival helps a ton.

A low-skilled dominix with dual LAR, cheap faction hardeners, T1 Ogres, Hammerhead II's and a civilian blaster makes a ton more ISK and scrap slow-boating through level 4's than it would ever hope to make on level 3 missions, especially if you salvage as you go, which you may as well since your gun skills probably suck anyway.

I am sorry but getting into a BS before you mhave the proper skills just to fly lvl 4 missions is a big mistake. Yes you can complete level 4 in a BS with low skills but it will take you way way longer. you would make more isk blitzing lvl3 missions as you can complete 5-6 lvl3 missions in the time it would take you to complete one lvl 4 with poor skills.

With the right skills you can easily finish lvl 4 missions with a drake, but that does not make it efficient to do so. If you are missioning to raise isk than isk/hour is what you need to look at. LVL 4 missions are not good money if you need over an hour to finish them. Not when you can complete lvl 3 missions in 5-10 minutes. If you can not do lvl 3 missions in 5-10 minutes than than you need practice and skills or you will die in level 4 missions.
Callis Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-02 06:40:37 UTC
When I was doing lvl2s making some isk salvaging I was following a corp mate doing lvl4s in a drake I think. He literally did it half afk with his Hob2s out in 10~ mins per room.
Now I finally got my drake and I'm a day off having Hob2s but right now in my T1 gear I have 160DPS + Drones (44.5) and I attempted lvl4 missions for the luls and saw yeah, it took me literally an hour to finish one mission no surprise, but at what point does it become manageable, and what point should I get in Raven?
Iteken Hotori
The Flowing Penguins
#30 - 2012-05-02 08:53:32 UTC
Callis Tsero wrote:
When I was doing lvl2s making some isk salvaging I was following a corp mate doing lvl4s in a drake I think. He literally did it half afk with his Hob2s out in 10~ mins per room.
Now I finally got my drake and I'm a day off having Hob2s but right now in my T1 gear I have 160DPS + Drones (44.5) and I attempted lvl4 missions for the luls and saw yeah, it took me literally an hour to finish one mission no surprise, but at what point does it become manageable, and what point should I get in Raven?


Realistically?
You want all the relevant shield skills at 4. All relevant fitting and engineering skills at 4, and lots of 4's in missiles. Full T2 tank, T2 drones really help (you have them) is a good place to be - then you can work on 5'ing missile, fitting etc skills and upping to T2 damage.

Another way to test is spec up a LSB / X-LSB raven in EFT, fiddle with skills until the tank holds together well, then aim for that.
Callis Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-05-02 09:56:25 UTC
Don't know how to do that ^ Would be cool if someone showed me =D
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-05-02 13:29:16 UTC
Two core problems.

You don't have any rigs.

You seem to be using one medium drone.

Now, some rigs are very expensive, and some rigs are very cheap.

If you don't want to pay for the expensive kind, get the cheap ones that help your fit.

And train Drones-5, Drone Interface-3.

If the drones don't seem to be doing any damage, that's cause Drone Interface gives +20%, yes +20% PER LEVEL.

And medium drones suck.

You want five drones out no matter what. If you have enough bandwidth to switch out a light drone for a heavy, do so.

But five light drones with Drone Interfacing do respectable damage.

To make your learning curve easier....

Fit cap boosters
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-05-02 13:30:16 UTC
Iteken Hotori wrote:
Callis Tsero wrote:
When I was doing lvl2s making some isk salvaging I was following a corp mate doing lvl4s in a drake I think. He literally did it half afk with his Hob2s out in 10~ mins per room.
Now I finally got my drake and I'm a day off having Hob2s but right now in my T1 gear I have 160DPS + Drones (44.5) and I attempted lvl4 missions for the luls and saw yeah, it took me literally an hour to finish one mission no surprise, but at what point does it become manageable, and what point should I get in Raven?


Realistically?
You want all the relevant shield skills at 4. All relevant fitting and engineering skills at 4, and lots of 4's in missiles. Full T2 tank, T2 drones really help (you have them) is a good place to be - then you can work on 5'ing missile, fitting etc skills and upping to T2 damage.

Another way to test is spec up a LSB / X-LSB raven in EFT, fiddle with skills until the tank holds together well, then aim for that.


And don't listen to this guy.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-05-02 13:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Gianath wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
July Oumis wrote:
Please do yourself a favour and stay some time in L3 missions.

DO NOT go straight into a BS and level 4, after a while. Some L3 drop nice Loot like the meta 4 HM launcher or imps. If you get bored do some other stuff like exploration or low level pvp.

It will take about 6-10 months, until you can fly a Harbinger as it was meant.


Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class.



I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game while you let your skills accumulate for bigger goals. You do not have to fly a battleship perfectly either, as they have a huge amount of tank and are very forgiving of mistakes as long as you keep your exits open and have an option (i.e., drones) to remove fast scramming frigates from your near orbit. All it takes is learning the triggers and tricks of each mission, which eve-survival helps a ton.

A low-skilled dominix with dual LAR, cheap faction hardeners, T1 Ogres, Hammerhead II's and a civilian blaster makes a ton more ISK and scrap slow-boating through level 4's than it would ever hope to make on level 3 missions, especially if you salvage as you go, which you may as well since your gun skills probably suck anyway.

I am sorry but getting into a BS before you mhave the proper skills just to fly lvl 4 missions is a big mistake. Yes you can complete level 4 in a BS with low skills but it will take you way way longer. you would make more isk blitzing lvl3 missions as you can complete 5-6 lvl3 missions in the time it would take you to complete one lvl 4 with poor skills.

With the right skills you can easily finish lvl 4 missions with a drake, but that does not make it efficient to do so. If you are missioning to raise isk than isk/hour is what you need to look at. LVL 4 missions are not good money if you need over an hour to finish them. Not when you can complete lvl 3 missions in 5-10 minutes. If you can not do lvl 3 missions in 5-10 minutes than than you need practice and skills or you will die in level 4 missions.


Are you could give useful advice and point out that his fit is experiencing HEAVY STACKING PENALTY.

Certain modules that give identical effects are subjected to a stacking penalty. Not all of them, but definitely armor/shield resist modules.

The first module gives 100% of it's bonus.

The second gives 87%.

The third gives 57%.

The fourth gives 28%.

The fifth gives a mere 11% of the listed bonus.

Google "Stacking Penalty" and "Eve" for more info.

THIS IS KEY.

And download EFT.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-05-02 13:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
*self censored*
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-05-03 12:02:23 UTC
July Oumis wrote:


It will take about 6-10 months, until you can fly a Harbinger as it was meant.



Welcome to eve ... thats basicly just the start.



Hey where are going ? buddy ? ... Hey ? Straight
Zanza Mechonis
What is tax
#37 - 2012-05-04 10:17:59 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
Here is the thing. Racing to a larger hull lessens isk per hour. So many newer capsuleers run to BS then wonder why it takes 3 hours to do one mission as they have 30dps since they did not bother to properly train support skills.


Same applies to L3s. Once you TAKE THE TIME to train up skills they will be easy.


This. Wondered why it took me ages to beat a mission in an Omen when I had the skills for a harbi... When I noticed I was using small turrets with no drones.

"On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid."

Iteken Hotori
The Flowing Penguins
#38 - 2012-05-04 11:11:40 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Iteken Hotori wrote:
..snip...


And don't listen to this guy.


Ahh here we have the most dangerous entity in eve.
The Noob-Corp Forum warrior.

They are extremely dangerous in their natural habitat, with common behavioural traits such as "short pointless posts" "terrible grammar and spelling" and "calling people noobz on the interwebz", however take them out of a nautral habitat into the real world, and a complete failure to grasp game mechanics reduces their effectiveness.

Unless of course, a unaffilitated forum troll is the best source of advice you can find, in which case - good luck - remember Battleships are only a hundred or so million.

ps. I lost my first BS on the second mission, as i didn't follow my own advice. Though this was in 2007.
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