EVE General Discussion

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What if off-grid boosters only worked at 50% effectiveness?

So hath Butthurt spoken, so hath it been heard. For only the Butthurt declare they risk something when they hath lost to some guy meta-gaming better then him and declare the other guy a coward...but this is a video game with consequences not fair rules.

Cause in Soviet EVE, loser is you...anything done to win equates to a win and the loser whines the hardest or loudest. There is no rule to risk or fair combat...its just the loser feeling like he got chumped and whining its not fair. Whiners moan the loudest, but try...it still means nothing except to the losers feeling like they got crushed. Next thing you know, when a miner whines his Hulk can't hold out you will tell him to fit tank mods...that is when you relize you can do better yourself when it comes to command links without CCP intervening everytime some player beats your ass in a game with no rules of combat.

After reading these a bit more and talking with some folks about the off grid boosting. The big problem did not come about until the Strat Cruisers arrived. a Ship that is able to give a slightly better bonus to boosting while off grid and easier to get into then a command ship. Making boosting where it is on grid the 0.0 carebears will just leave the Rorqual docked up or stored somewhere only to bring it out to crush ore and then move it while the orca pilots will only show up on grid to collect jet cans of ore to be taken back tot he Rorqual sitting the pos crushing ore or drop it off at a station. you get the idea. This here will just only drive up the prices of ore in general all around increasing the cost of ships. Does CCP want to give the new players the idea how the hell can I get a Battle cruiser i will be able to fly a battle ship T2 fitted by the time i buy that battle cruiser. This will only drive away new players. I have to say keep the indy boosting to off grid this will benefit everyone.

Now the Off grid combat boosters. These command ship guys i feel have a right to say to keep it off grid they spent the time training these toons which we all know takes months to just get the pilot into a command ship let alone be able to boost a wing.Wing Commanders and fleet commanders are kinda like them guys who sit in the back directing the flow of battle where they are no where near the front lines. Look at WW I or WW II.

Now these new ships the Strategic Cruisers. yeah look at the name and think about it some. These bad boys should be on the front lines shooting up folks. yeah there is the command module thingy for A link. command processors to boost it to 4 additional links they should be on grid with everyone else shooting it up and getting their hands dirty with the risk of getting popped. Welcome to the famous Star Trek character Captin James T. Kirk syndrome.

and we all know the GOONS are pushing this so they can win a large fleet engagement.

At first I thought the biggest problem with this would be "grid-Fu" users but then it occurred to me that if you're sitting in a grid of 600-800km and boosting your cap fleet... Well It's not that hard to bring one or two smaller ships just for the purpose of obliterating the enemy boosters at Grid-fu enlarged grids.

The biggest nerf bat would definitely hit the industrialists. A Rorqual can fend of a few BS if fitted with that in mind but an Orca is dead if even a single cruiser gets it.

I'd really like to see the Rorqual get enough drone bay to fit the minimal 5 fighters making it pretty much an industrial mother ship, it already has a clone vat bay and costs more than "normal" carrier but less than super cap so why the hell not?

I agree with nerfing off grid boosting... Just not total castration of them.. Perhaps a halving the bonuses given if off grid. You want the greater bonus, then your Cmd Ship needs to be in the heat with the fleet.

I fly all races of Cmd Ships (trophies and bragging rights) and can see that the skills would be wasted if completely nerf'd, toned down when off grid, sure, I'll bite.

There is no nerf inbound.

Otherwise a solid post.

I think it would be better to balance with an increase in the grid size and min warp range. 400km grids, 200km warps, and 100km micro-jumps would open up the ability to keep your command ship on grid while staying at range.

Off grid boosters make it easier for a smaller gang to successfully engage a large blob of idiots. Nerfing off grid boosters nerfs small gangs and buffs blobs that can protect their booster while camping a gate. Its like the nano nerf all over again.

The reality is that off-grid boosters are balanced. CCP made sure of that with their most recent change to probing which has made it so that previously unprobable ships are now probable. The other reality is that unlike before where Titans were used to doomsday command ships off the field, a new investment has to be made for people who are wanting to disable enemy gang links. It is completely possible to do, both in large scale fleet battles and small scale gang pvp.

I have personally probed down enemy t3 links and killed them. I have done so both in large scale fleet battles, most recently against Nulli Secunda in Delve, and in small gang pvp across EVE. I have witnessed Pandemic Legion t3's being probed down and killed, and on multiple occasions. The most recent memory I have of this happening was in Geminate during our drone region campaign where a single person in a fed navy comet killed 3 of our boosting t3s. So you can counter boosting t3s with a prober, and it is completely viable to do so, for someone who knows what they are doing. That a certain amount of skill and isk is required to find and kill boosting t3s can only be a good thing. I suspect most of the drivel of this thread comes from the fact that the people whining here simply do not want to make the investment, or do not know how. The only thing that makes t3 boosting so good right now is the metagame and a POS. When people make the same investments that they used to, in order to kill enemy command ships, then off-grid t3 boosters will not have anywhere near the same level of effectiveness they currently enjoy. I will admit that boosting from a POS is unfair, because there is absolutely nothing that can be done to counter it, but boosting from safespots is not something that needs to be changed in any way, shape of form.

tl;dr: CCP, on the unlikely chance that you read this, let the metagame sort out off-grid boosters. Boosting from a POS in pvp is completely risk-free, but boosting from a safespot is no longer safe. People just need time to figure out how to counter it, and you need to let the players sort this out for themselvs, because you have given them just that ability already.