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Tilting at windmills

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#41 - 2012-05-03 05:22:57 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
It does not have the same growth rate as common fare, but then why would you expect a niche product to grow at the same rate as something marketed at the common masses?


EVE gains people at a terribly slow rate, even for a niche game.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-05-03 05:24:32 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Yes Jessie, consistent subscriber growth over an entire decade is terrible for an MMO.

CCP must be crying themselves to sleep at night knowing that they could have catered to care bears, cashed in on a single population boom, and then watched their game die within a year.


Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#43 - 2012-05-03 05:30:35 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.

High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format.


What are these changes that will cause people to unsub?

You make a very angry post, but fail to give any sort of clue for your anger.

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Shian Yang
#44 - 2012-05-03 05:31:51 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009.


Greetings capsuleer,

This is a lie.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#45 - 2012-05-03 05:32:40 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Yes Jessie, consistent subscriber growth over an entire decade is terrible for an MMO.

CCP must be crying themselves to sleep at night knowing that they could have catered to care bears, cashed in on a single population boom, and then watched their game die within a year.


Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009.


No, it hasn't. But you are one of the guys who doesn't really care about facts, aren't you.

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Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-05-03 05:37:12 UTC
CSM is a scam, should not exist and it is a means for devs to cheat with their friends.

Ever seen good response about the CSM process? ever? Nope, because it never was and never will and that is why you wont see this bullshit put in place by serious video-game companies and businesses.
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-05-03 05:38:18 UTC
I think NullSec Alliances better prepare for Hi-seccers pitching tents in their space protesting them.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2012-05-03 05:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vince Snetterton wrote:
CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.
No. CCP acknowledges that 70% of all characters are in highsec. They also acknowledge that, on average, people have 2 characters per account. This means that as few as 40% of the accounts are highsec-based, and if we look at the actual players, it may even be much lower than that…

Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.
…aside from having grown every year, even 2011 when they lost nearly 10% of their subscribers due to the Incarna fuckup.

Fannie Maes wrote:
Ever seen good response about the CSM process?
Yes.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#49 - 2012-05-03 05:52:51 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
CSM is a scam, should not exist and it is a means for devs to cheat with their friends.

Ever seen good response about the CSM process? ever? Nope, because it never was and never will and that is why you wont see this bullshit put in place by serious video-game companies and businesses.


I see favorable changes promoted by the CSM all the time, as do most of the players, and they let that be known on these very forums.

You know, you used to make some good observations, but here lately you've gone a bit off the deep end.

In other news, a roughly 25% growth in subscriptions since 2009... in the final third of a 9 year span when most MMO's are in serious decline... is considered to be VERY healthy in the gaming industry. Remarkably so in fact. Which rather explains why some of the bigger names in the industry want to be so cozy with CCP.

I think most of us realize that there needs to be more division in where resources are available in EVE, which means some things will remain in high sec and some may be limited... just as they will be in the other area's of EVE.

It might also interest you to know that the Data Cores will not only be available through FW in Low Sec (and if there was ever an area of the game that needed it's own thing, it's both FW and Low Sec). Data Cores will still be available through your research agents, but the amount will be reduced to compensate for their availability via FW. Yes you and I will both lose a little effortless income, but T2 industry (data cores in particular) are not being taken away from high sec as everyone is so fond of falsely claiming.

So far, with some notable (and welcomed) exceptions, the only thing this thread has put forth that is worth while is to suggest that if High Sec wants better representation they need to get off their butts and vote. Not that the CSM tells CCP what to do, despite the ignorant suggestions in this thread, but they do help represent the interests of the EVE community in all it's diversity by reminding CCP what our preferences (and in come cases, needs) are.

There are plenty of (mostly trivial) things to ***** about in EVE, but at least make some effort to separate fact from fiction before you make an ass out of yourself.


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Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-05-03 06:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Fannie Maes
Ranger 1 wrote:

Snip.



What has CSM done to improve the game since... 2000... 2007?

Hmm, a lot has changed since then? Did CSM improve a lot and get CCP to fix stuff?

What happened last year? Did CSM want that ****? Was CSM responsible for getting CCP to that failuer and then later to understand "we should focus on space ships in eve" or was that common sense and thousands of voice speaking out????

You tell me, if you really think the CSM has done a single good thing for EVE that is ok.

You are wrong but so are people believing in Scientology and I have to respect their belief.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#51 - 2012-05-03 06:13:12 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
You tell me, if you really think the CSM has done a single good thing for EVE that is ok.

You are wrong
So you think the skill queue is a thing of evil then.
That's pretty odd, since most people seem to like it.
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-05-03 06:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Fannie Maes
Tippia wrote:
Fannie Maes wrote:
You tell me, if you really think the CSM has done a single good thing for EVE that is ok.

You are wrong
So you think the skill queue is a thing of evil then.
That's pretty odd, since most people seem to like it.



Skill queue REALLY? we asked for that **** back when the game releazed Lol

guess what? it still sucks compared to what everyone wanted and I would eat my left sock if I believed that the CSM forced CCP to implement that.


I would eat my right sock if they did force CCP to do it and not the thousands of threads, polls on the matter and people telling the devs to their face on fanfest for years since launch, even in beta.

That would prove that CCP never listened to the community, only their friends.


Try better, your argument for CSM is the worst I have ever seen!
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-05-03 06:25:52 UTC
Son IamaDerp wrote:
I think NullSec Alliances better prepare for Hi-seccers pitching tents in their space protesting them.

Always ready bro, come any dayTwisted
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2012-05-03 06:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Fannie Maes wrote:
Skill queue REALLY? we asked for that **** back when the game releazed Lol
…and yet, it didn't happen until the CSM came along to really nag CCP in person about the need for it.

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I would eat my right sock if they did force CCP to do it and not the thousands of threads, polls on the matter and people telling the devs to their face on fanfest for years since launch, even in beta.
The fact that thousands of threads, polls and people telling the devs to their faces had no effect would suggest that you'd better start heating up your sock-cooker by now. CCP didn't want it because they thought it would let people play offline more than they were comfortable with. As long as the devs held that view, the skill queue was as trivially easy for them to dismiss as any of the myriad other things that player made thousands of threads and polls about.

Skill queue being a result of the CSM convincing the CCP devs is pretty much an established fact. You can choose to ignore this fact, but that just makes you ignorant.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2012-05-03 06:27:17 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Given that the silent majority of the game...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence

In short, you assume that those who do not speak must agree with you. Yet you have provided no evidence other than their silence.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#56 - 2012-05-03 06:32:33 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Given that the silent majority of the game...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence

In short, you assume that those who do not speak must agree with you. Yet you have provided no evidence other than their silence.


The Government and Lawyers/Court systems do this all the time; why should anyone else be any different?

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Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-05-03 06:36:12 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Given that the silent majority of the game...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence

In short, you assume that those who do not speak must agree with you. Yet you have provided no evidence other than their silence.



a third of the eve population voted for CSM, I didn't including many others. How big portion of people playing eve are members in an alliance? Not me either!

Who visits fanfest and talk to devs and gm's daily?

whatever!

CCP needs to ask themselves if they are selling a game and service with equal product value or if full value only comes by kissing their rear ends.



I never hear about Blizzard having their nob polished and handing out free legendary gear as a result. It has happened in EVE twice, they even admitted to it. But I guess now it stopped happening?
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-05-03 06:40:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
snip..


I did not make myself clear enough, you are a sucker, CSM did not and never has forced CCP to do anything, at best they humoring them. Or more like it, the CSM are humoring you Blink
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2012-05-03 06:43:44 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
I did not make myself clear enough
Yes you did. You are ignorant and you are arguing against facts. It doesn't get any more clear than that.

You asked for something that the CSM brought to the game — the skill queue is one such thing.
Without their input, we'd still have CCP telling us that they want us to log in to change skills.

Just because you made up your mind what the answer must be doesn't change the fact that the answer isn't what you want it to be.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#60 - 2012-05-03 06:44:44 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Given that the silent majority of the game...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence

In short, you assume that those who do not speak must agree with you. Yet you have provided no evidence other than their silence.


The Government and Lawyers/Court systems do this all the time; why should anyone else be any different?



Lemmings jump off cliffs all the time; why don't you?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016