Ships & Modules

the vocal minority that wants titans nerfed at the expense of the majority of players

"the majority of eve players own titans" - you, 2012

Yeah, you're right, let's boost the other 200 ships instead of nerfing these 4. That's not gonna take a ton more dev time or cause 50 new imbalances.

again, this is power creep, allow me to illustrate with a little reductio ad absurdum:

If someone fat fingers a stat in a balance change and accidentally enters a 56% increase per level instead of a 5% increase per level, under your system, you couldnt "nerf" that ship back to the level it should be, you just have to increase all the other ships to compensate . . . you see how ridiculous that is?

youre saying that devs should never have the ability to look at something they did and say "woah, we made that ship way too powerful" Im saying that the devs should use all of the tools available to them to balance the game.

I didn't know that AoE damage did not penetrate pos shields, and in that case, returning the AoE DD to the Titan would definitely prove really bad in that situation. I always figured that pos shields only protected objects inside from being targeted. The graphic when shooting a pos is quite misleading then, because while shooting a pos, weapons appear to penetrate the shields to obtain direct hits on the pos within the shields. CCP, how about changing the animation to have the shields hit directly when the pos is under attack. Something like hiding the weapon animation within x km of the pos, depending on pos size. Of course, if a Titan pokes out of the shields, before it turns around, 4 webs bring its speed down to 6 m/s, but I imagine the Titan would probably eventually make it back in without much risk. Anyhow, good point about pos shields protecting objects within from damage. Didn't know that.

I really must voice my support for making the Titan primarily an anti-super ship, and an anti-structure ship. Let the MOM be the anti-cap ship. The Dread also to some degree.

sorry but if you think AoE DDs that barely dent other capitals are a good idea you're out of your mind

targeted doomsdays that take triage carriers and dreads off the field are fine as they are

Sad to see but the new titans ingame are called Dreadnoughts:

- They have superior damage
- They have superior flexibility since they can dock
- They have superior tracking since they dont have the double Malus from the guns
- They are in every way superior in cost since they cost only 400 mio if insured
- Nearly every average player in eve can buy one
- They have no counter since they can blap support as did the titans before
- They are much easier to skill and train for
- Ewar immunity is given by siege module
- No movement in Siege module is compensated by the fact that transversal should anyway be as small as possible, no movement means no own movement in oposite direction


I am curious if that was really the intended destiny for titans? Now only role reduced to bridge support, which is not very effective since the dreads have higher range and therefore usage of gate travelling is advised anyway.

I rather like carrier and dreads. And rather dislike anything that makes their use so risky that they are not widely used. The titan and MOMs being chief among those reasons. The limitations of siege and triage being strong secondary reasons. I haven't flown my carrier in about a year, except on SiSi, and I know that CCP wants to keep their veteran normal cap pilots happy. So figure out how to keep us happy, CCP, because I do not consider being insta-popped by a single titan DD to be the kind of thing I sign in for...I don't care how much he paid for his precious I-WIN ship. The only meaningful change you could make to the Titan is to make it stop being the I-WIN ship.

My solution to Titan changes is actually focused on the capitals:

Allow RR to triaged carriers! Nid is back in the game. Yay! And other carriers actually mean something.

I mean, what if Sieged dreads were not allowed to put their dps out. A fleet of sieged dreads effectively adds to their fleet dps tank. So a fleet of triaged carriers should add to their fleet RR tank similar to the sieged dread fleet, but currently carriers can't because triage prevents their RR from doing any good for any of them. So the best case scenario is that maybe one or two of the carriers is effective and hoping that they are not discovered while the rest are completely ineffective.

Also, let the carriers use their fighters while in triage and also move while in triage even if they can't warp out. And let sieged dreads get RR too. Even sub-cap fleets are allowed to RR their BS, as well as their logi.

With those changes, the supers are more reasonable and need far fewer changes. How about the DD is 1/100 of the damage, 1/100 of the cycle time, and AOE? That would mostly complete the fix to Titans as far as I can see it.

From 2 mil dmg every 600s to 20k dmg every 6s, scaled by ship signature.

If AOE is bad, should we not also phase smartbombs and regular bombs out of the game? Or do you see a difference that could not be fixed with some thought?

My thoughts exactly. I can't see the difference really between one AoE weapon and another except for scale. Phasing them out of the game would be negative for the game. For one, they add an ability that is clearly disliked by many, which means they are extremely successful in their role. For another, they add a degree of variability to the game, an element of chance that you may or may not be in the vicinity of an AoE weapon when it goes off or that you may or may not be lucky to survive (if appropriate changes are made to the way they work). Again, this is clearly disliked by some which means it's very effective and quite annoying. Again, good for the game. The game should not boil down to a simple calculation of superior numbers, or it becomes too simple and boring.

My only other thought about your suggestion, Andy, is that DDs by their definition are Doomsday Devices, which kind of implies they are much more powerful than what you are proposing, and should take a commensurate duration for cooldown/recharge. Scaling by ship signature, however, is a must for these devices I agree.

dumb ppl shouldnt be talking dumb ****.. dreads have no disadvantages when used in mass with blap fit apply'd use say 100 of them which is possible for most 0.0 alliances and neut ehp and everything else you listed wont matter! Cant warp certainly wont matter since zero zero warfare is about structures but I guess its to much to expect wh dudes to realize that. And missile dreads for blapping? Seriously have you ever used a titan for blapping? I sure as hell would like to know because once someone starts talking about missile penalty's he just proves he has now ******* clue.

And yeah Titans are obsolete now they are not a capital killer CCP advises them to be not even close to it an Anti-Capital Weapon that can only be uses every 10 minutes at the cost of not being able to jump or cloak afterwards is not an anti-capital weapon at all with the drawbacks on DD its basically ****. Anti-Capital DPS once every 10 minutes oh wow that 85-100b sure are worth it that isk is better spend on 4 super-carriers. Because they are what I call Anti-Capital ships titans arent sorry to break it to you. But CCP better hurry up and find a ******* role for them right now they are useless. Safe for bridging oh wow.. The damage reduction is ******* dumb by the way because a target that is painted and webbed to **** (not moving at all) should take full damage from a titan. The way titans are now you win just by bringing small signature ships against them no pilot skill required.. Thats not what I call an improvement if you wanted to improve upon you should have changed tracking all together because whats broken aint titans it tracking and the way it is working or better not working.