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Nocxium CRASH imminent, NOCX 300 isk pu
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Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
#1 - 2012-05-02 23:15:27 UTC
Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math.

The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day:

Isogen 312 004 000,00
Megacyte 22 262 250,00
Mexallon 1 844 773 273,27
Morphite 1 965 240,00
Noxcium 97 267 038,80
Pyerite 4 168 273 510,21
Tritanium 29 137 192 070,03
Zydrine 46 011 170,00

This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter.

However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day:

Isogen 473 737 512
Megacyte 10 934 784
Mexallon 2 476 716 936
Nocxium 35 852 304
Pyerite 8 387 069 472
Tritanium 33 987 645 384
Zydrine 29 229 912

So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals.

Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2 - 2012-05-02 23:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
http://i.imgur.com/DEsBs.png

This is a raven blueprint. Note the approximately 4:1 ratio of isogen to nocxium. A drake is an even smaller ratio, 19,214 units of isogen to 13,600 units of nocxium. Frigates have a much larger ratio but are negligible consumption. These ratios are largely consistent across ship classes; minmatar and amarr battlecruisers use no nocxium, but even with the rather high consumption of tornadoes recently, that doesn't really explain his supposed 10:1 ratio of isogen to nocxium consumption - not even close.

http://i.imgur.com/0XzMy.png

This is a screenshot of some recent purchases; as you can see, they're of nocxium, several million units worth. Note the presence of the OPs name as a seller - he dumped three million units to me in one go, and 4.4 million units to another goon. The actions of someone intentionally seeking to depress the price, perhaps?


I'll let the reader take these two pieces of evidence together - the very much different ratios from his claim, combined with me buying nocx and him selling - and weigh them against the OP's claim that we're currently "offloading stockpiles" and then, from there, evaluate the veracity (or lack thereof, really) of the OP's bogus numbers. Blink

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Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
#3 - 2012-05-02 23:42:34 UTC
What would you do if you needed to offload say 150m units of nocx? You want to keep the buys high, to do so one post buy orders to keep the pressure up.

As you can see from the screenshot Ive already offloaded mine, he got stuck with some of it.

In the end I guess it all comes down to trust, personally I wouldnt trust a goon, your choice...
Agrippa Hurt
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-02 23:57:13 UTC
corestwo wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/0XzMy.png


This has got to be the most obviously 'shopped pic I've ever seen... And from a goon, of course...
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#5 - 2012-05-02 23:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Yuki Kasumi wrote:
What would you do if you needed to offload say 150m units of nocx? You want to keep the buys high, to do so one post buy orders to keep the pressure up.

As you can see from the screenshot Ive already offloaded mine, he got stuck with some of it.

In the end I guess it all comes down to trust, personally I wouldnt trust a goon, your choice...

http://i.imgur.com/V5CxR.png

So "stuck" with it that I haven't even sold yet. Perish the thought.

And then there's this, from ingame.


Quote:

[22:38:19] corestwo > panic selling, Yuki?
[22:39:21] Yuki Kasumi > No panic, just need more liquid, and nocx seemed due to drop a bit :)
(snip - irrelevant channel chatter)
[22:40:24] corestwo > wishing I'd placed my order down closer to 800 now though.
[22:52:54] Yuki Kasumi > Now core, wouldnt it be fun to make all the sheep jump too
[22:53:07] Yuki Kasumi > that way we could buy more at say 650?
[22:53:27] corestwo > I'd love to buy at 650 but I'm out of money.
[22:53:41] Yuki Kasumi > 44m isnt yours?
[22:53:48] corestwo > a friend's.
[22:53:57] Yuki Kasumi > well...
[22:56:46] Yuki Kasumi > Damn it would be sooo easy, if it wasnt for the 44m buy, just move the sell down, post a strategic thread with bogus numbers in md
[22:56:51] Yuki Kasumi > sheep jump :)
[22:57:39] corestwo > and I would come into your thread and **** all over it with very much real numbers.
[22:58:18] corestwo > and/or have an associate eat your sell.
[22:58:18] Yuki Kasumi > but then there would be no cheap nocx for anyone, where is the fun in that, and you would be nice to sheep, thats not very gooony of you
[22:59:07] corestwo > alternatively, driftfire would come into your thread and **** all over it with very real numbers, since I know for a fact he's read the same information I have.
[23:02:09] Yuki Kasumi > Party poopers
[23:02:43] Thomas Hurt > If cores crashes your thread just point out that hes a goon, and obviously deliberately misleading pubbies to turn a profit
[23:03:27] Thomas Hurt > you can title the thread NOCXIUM 300
[23:03:33] corestwo > in a way that would be true, however, I would be spelling out how undersupplied nocxium currently is and thus how it's a good buy.
[23:04:07] Yuki Kasumi > Well, lets play core :)


http://i.imgur.com/ATeo7.png Here's that conversation screenshotted from eve-live, incidentally, just so that you have to try to throw out the obvious but implausible accusation that I made them both up.

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#6 - 2012-05-03 00:09:13 UTC
Aaaand for the coup de grace

Quote:
[00:07:53] Yuki Kasumi > Damn you chribba, oh well, I suppose that ends that, well played core. Tell the this though, why would you have mined it dipping to say 660?



What's it like having your credibility on the forums crushed by a goon of all people? Cool

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Liberty Eternal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-03 00:11:19 UTC
Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking.
Agrippa Hurt
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-03 00:12:38 UTC
That certainly was a convincing bit of character assassination so that Goonswarm could continue to unload their Nocxium inventory onto a teetering market... wake up, people!
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#9 - 2012-05-03 00:13:56 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking.


Weaselior likes bragging about his technetium cartel, illectroculus defined just does whatever from time to time and I've always been here. Not all that many others post here so I dunno what you're talking about.

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#10 - 2012-05-03 01:08:22 UTC
Havnt seen one of these for a while now Lol

The drama from both sides is priceless.
Akarawa Kugisa
PKE LA
#11 - 2012-05-03 01:18:29 UTC
Yuki Kasumi wrote:
Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math.

The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day:

Isogen 312 004 000,00
Megacyte 22 262 250,00
Mexallon 1 844 773 273,27
Morphite 1 965 240,00
Noxcium 97 267 038,80
Pyerite 4 168 273 510,21
Tritanium 29 137 192 070,03
Zydrine 46 011 170,00

This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter.

However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day:

Isogen 473 737 512
Megacyte 10 934 784
Mexallon 2 476 716 936
Nocxium 35 852 304
Pyerite 8 387 069 472
Tritanium 33 987 645 384
Zydrine 29 229 912

So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals.

Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria.



where did u get those #?
Fish Hunter
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-03 01:41:19 UTC
Yuki Kasumi wrote:
Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math.

The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day:

Isogen 312 004 000,00
Megacyte 22 262 250,00
Mexallon 1 844 773 273,27
Morphite 1 965 240,00
Noxcium 97 267 038,80
Pyerite 4 168 273 510,21
Tritanium 29 137 192 070,03
Zydrine 46 011 170,00

This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter.

However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day:

Isogen 473 737 512
Megacyte 10 934 784
Mexallon 2 476 716 936
Nocxium 35 852 304
Pyerite 8 387 069 472
Tritanium 33 987 645 384
Zydrine 29 229 912

So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals.

Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria.



I don't feel like checking your consumption numbers but looking at supply ratios for ship building. looks like megacyte and zydrine were oversupplied, while pyerite was undersupplied. This is from looking at the ratios of ship building. And relook at your nocxium number it should be closer to 130 mil units.
Wukulo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-05-03 01:45:13 UTC
Yuki Kasumi wrote:
Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math.

The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day:

Isogen 312 004 000,00
Megacyte 22 262 250,00
Mexallon 1 844 773 273,27
Morphite 1 965 240,00
Noxcium 97 267 038,80
Pyerite 4 168 273 510,21
Tritanium 29 137 192 070,03
Zydrine 46 011 170,00

This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter.

However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day:

Isogen 473 737 512
Megacyte 10 934 784
Mexallon 2 476 716 936
Nocxium 35 852 304
Pyerite 8 387 069 472
Tritanium 33 987 645 384
Zydrine 29 229 912

So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals.

Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria.



Care to link your source?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP%20Diagoras

I'm not seeing that info.

Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#14 - 2012-05-03 01:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Fish Hunter wrote:
I don't feel like checking your consumption numbers but looking at supply ratios for ship building. looks like megacyte and zydrine were oversupplied, while pyerite was undersupplied. This is from looking at the ratios of ship building. And relook at your nocxium number it should be closer to 130 mil units.

Roll

And if you'd read the rest of the thread, you'd have realized that he intentionally gimmicked the nocxium number on consumption in an attempt to cause a panic.

I mean, the whole consumption number is suspect to begin with because "ships of each class" is extremely general and ignores modules entirely, but that's a separate matter.


For those wondering, here is where Yuki got his stats, if I'm not mistaken.

Quote:
Jan+Feb 2012, most produced ship groups: Shuttle (605k), Frigate (573k), Battlecruiser (183k), Cruiser (148k), Destroyer (125k).

Quote:
Least produced In Jan/Feb 2012 (excl. supercaps): Rorqual (388), Jump Freighter (636), Black Ops (770), Dread (1,348), Marauder (1,850)


Source is twitter.

Now, what's wrong with these? Rather, what's missing?

Supers, titans and supercarriers both.

Carriers.

Orcas.

Industrial ships, including the Noctis.

Battleships.

So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but...

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#15 - 2012-05-03 02:51:31 UTC
Yuki Kasumi wrote:
Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math.

The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day:

Isogen 312 004 000,00
Megacyte 22 262 250,00
Mexallon 1 844 773 273,27
Morphite 1 965 240,00
Noxcium 97 267 038,80
Pyerite 4 168 273 510,21
Tritanium 29 137 192 070,03
Zydrine 46 011 170,00

This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter.

However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day:

Isogen 473 737 512
Megacyte 10 934 784
Mexallon 2 476 716 936
Nocxium 35 852 304
Pyerite 8 387 069 472
Tritanium 33 987 645 384
Zydrine 29 229 912

So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals.

Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria.




Excuse me but your second set of numbers is just for minerals consumed making ships? So module production has to be added on top of that for a correct number What about POS's too?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#16 - 2012-05-03 03:09:05 UTC
This "I didn't read anything but the OP" phenomena is fascinating. Shocked

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Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#17 - 2012-05-03 04:41:36 UTC
Well played, you made me jump


But at least, I jumped to sell at current market value, so eh, no loss
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#18 - 2012-05-03 05:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
You read the thread title, dumped, and then read the rest of it?

I, uh...

Roll

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Johnny Frecko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-03 06:57:45 UTC
.. Please tell me more.
malaire
#20 - 2012-05-03 08:21:53 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking.

They just found Jita, and are now interested about what that really is about? Roll

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