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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#21 - 2012-05-02 22:44:06 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Unfortunatly this is typical CCP.

"We broke Moon-goo over a year ago, made it possible for large alliances to have no-risk pvp in big ships. So lets nerf the Drake!"

Oops



Seriously, there are so many things that need fixing, and instead they choose to focus on the poor man's BC....

By the time they get around to doing something about moon-goo, it won't matter. 10 trillion isk can keep you in operation for a long time....

In before the "u mad". No I don't fly drakes, could really care less.

But CCP once again seems to have lost focus on what's important in the game....



You are not what is important to the game. Developing an actual system to replace moongoo is what is important to the game. Having something that actually works instead of just slapping together whatever the community is demanding at that moment.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#22 - 2012-05-02 23:51:47 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
Pertuabo Enkidgan wrote:
What's going on? Did I miss something?
No.

We're trying to troll CCP into nerfing the Drake. This way they'll keep their sights off the projectile weapons.

Win - Win


CCp don't seem to have a grudge with dps. They seem to have a grudge with tank.
EVE holy twinity

- Go fast
- Die fast

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Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-05-03 00:01:40 UTC
Quote:
Quote:
"I want to keep my easy mode ship that requires no thought nor talent to fly!"

Drake sucks. People fly it because it's made for stupid people. Anyone defending it is revealing their intelligence.


Congratulations, you win the Shallow End of the Eve Pool Award for this thread! Good job, way to be simple minded! :)

Let me break this down as best as I can for the thread at large...

COMMUNITY: Fix Incursions, FW, Assault frigates and Botting!

CCP: Ok, I see, I see. Oh, I know, let's nerf the Drake!

SHALLOW THINKERS: Nerf the Drake? Brilliant! Hurray CCP!

DEEP THINKERS: Nerf the...wait, wha?

CCP: Aren't you happy now?

DEEP THINKERS: How does that solve the real problems plaguing this game?

CCP: Lookee here! *holds up wand with spinning wheels and bright lights* This is the visual representation of the Drake nerf! Isn't it awesome?

SHALLOW THINKERS: *mesmerized* Wow, it's better than I ever imagined...

DEEP THINKERS: Wait, no! How can this be a solution? We have bigger issues to worry about here than one ship!

SHALLOW THINKERS: Shut-up! Your dumb because you are opposing the nerf! You must be ridiculed and silenced!

DEEP THINKERS: It's spelled 'you're' with an apostrophe and an E at the end! We still want to know how this addresses problems that truly need to be fixed.

SHALLOW THINKERS: Shut-up noob! L2p!

DEEP THINKERS: Surely you aren't buying this...

SHALLOW THINKERS: DEATH TO DRAKES!

DEEP THINKERS: *fingers pinching the bridge of their noses* You have got to be kidding me, you really don't get it do you?

SHALLOW THINKERS: Umad bro? Lulz!

CCP: We knew you guys would approve! =)


I think that just about sums it up.


I just had to post this again...
"If."
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#24 - 2012-05-03 00:04:56 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
"I want to keep my easy mode ship that requires no thought nor talent to fly!"

Drake sucks. People fly it because it's made for stupid people. Anyone defending it is revealing their intelligence.


Congratulations, you win the Shallow End of the Eve Pool Award for this thread! Good job, way to be simple minded! :)

Let me break this down as best as I can for the thread at large...

COMMUNITY: Fix Incursions, FW, Assault frigates and Botting!

CCP: Ok, I see, I see. Oh, I know, let's nerf the Drake!

SHALLOW THINKERS: Nerf the Drake? Brilliant! Hurray CCP!

DEEP THINKERS: Nerf the...wait, wha?

CCP: Aren't you happy now?

DEEP THINKERS: How does that solve the real problems plaguing this game?

CCP: Lookee here! *holds up wand with spinning wheels and bright lights* This is the visual representation of the Drake nerf! Isn't it awesome?

SHALLOW THINKERS: *mesmerized* Wow, it's better than I ever imagined...

DEEP THINKERS: Wait, no! How can this be a solution? We have bigger issues to worry about here than one ship!

SHALLOW THINKERS: Shut-up! Your dumb because you are opposing the nerf! You must be ridiculed and silenced!

DEEP THINKERS: It's spelled 'you're' with an apostrophe and an E at the end! We still want to know how this addresses problems that truly need to be fixed.

SHALLOW THINKERS: Shut-up noob! L2p!

DEEP THINKERS: Surely you aren't buying this...

SHALLOW THINKERS: DEATH TO DRAKES!

DEEP THINKERS: *fingers pinching the bridge of their noses* You have got to be kidding me, you really don't get it do you?

SHALLOW THINKERS: Umad bro? Lulz!

CCP: We knew you guys would approve! =)


I think that just about sums it up.


I just had to post this again...


it deserved to be posted again. rare do you see truth in a post so clearly.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#25 - 2012-05-03 00:41:35 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Unfortunatly this is typical CCP.

"We broke Moon-goo over a year ago, made it possible for large alliances to have no-risk pvp in big ships. So lets nerf the Drake!"

Oops



Seriously, there are so many things that need fixing, and instead they choose to focus on the poor man's BC....

By the time they get around to doing something about moon-goo, it won't matter. 10 trillion isk can keep you in operation for a long time....

In before the "u mad". No I don't fly drakes, could really care less.

But CCP once again seems to have lost focus on what's important in the game....



You are not what is important to the game. Developing an actual system to replace moongoo is what is important to the game. Having something that actually works instead of just slapping together whatever the community is demanding at that moment.



I'm sorry you don't understand the issue. Let me clarify.

CCP redid moon-goo balance awhile back, in order to balance things out. It appears now that was the sloppiest, worst planned balance in the history of the game.
Yet here we are almost two years later, CCP has made a mockery of PVP in 0.0 with no risk PvP for a few big alliances. You think maybe they should have addressed it long before now? It's not moon-goo itself, it's the concentration of isk in just one set of moons that has created this joke.

So instead of addressing the real imbalance, they attack one of the side-effects. Supercaps. Supercaps were never overpowered. The issue was the number of them being built because CCP put so much isk into some people's pockets they had nothing else to spend it on.
What they should have done is immediately address the problem that they created, rather than put a bandaid on it.

So how much time should they need to fix such a serious, game-breaking issue?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#26 - 2012-05-03 01:21:15 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Pertuabo Enkidgan wrote:
What's going on? Did I miss something?
No.

We're trying to troll CCP into nerfing the Drake. This way they'll keep their sights off the projectile weapons.

Win - Win


CCp don't seem to have a grudge with dps. They seem to have a grudge with tank.
EVE holy twinity

- Go fast
- Die fast




I wonder about this.


A really interesting way to fly is to have to use movement as part of your tactics. A lot of tanking is just sitting there. I have ships that heavily rely on moving and maintaining the ability to keep moving. Yet I have seen other mission runners and it appears that it's all about how much damage you can take just sitting there.


Kind of silly. And boring.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-03 01:30:56 UTC
I do not understand why this upsets people. The only people this should upset at all are wormhole drakers. With a tank nerf and a DPS boost, the Drake will be better for every role it has, including missions, ratting, and PvP, while being slightly worse at tanking wormholes.

Why do you want it to have super tank!

Ferox #1
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-05-03 02:03:38 UTC
tank nerf, PVPDPS buff, honestly my only problem is it hurts new players but its kinda needed.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#29 - 2012-05-03 02:04:16 UTC
Good Riddance.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-05-03 02:14:16 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
tank nerf, PVPDPS buff, honestly my only problem is it hurts new players but its kinda needed.


I don't think so. New players won't know the old drake, and by jove, they will actually learn some sort of actual combat tactic.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#31 - 2012-05-03 02:28:15 UTC
I would just like to send an early welcome to the Drake flying community to the nerf-ship land that we Gallente have enjoyed for years now.

It sure will be nice to have some company.

Nothing clever at this time.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2012-05-03 02:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

In before the "u mad". No I don't fly drakes, could really care less.

But CCP once again seems to have lost focus on what's important in the game....



The small covert GoonNullbearDevTeam have focused on the benefits for CFC and themselves. 1 of 14 CSM does NOT live in High. Screw us plebes I guess.

Tinfoil hat, but it sure is seeming more and more true-ish. Nothing else really makes sense.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
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