Science & Industry

What's this? A post free of misinterpreted facts, paranoid delusions and hardly any spelling mistakes? Who the hell are you, and how did you get on Brewlar's account?

HALLELUJAH!

Why not? I'm am willing to listen to a proposal that a T2 BPC invented without a decryptor have a base ME and PE of 0/0. I'm honestly interested in what the ramifications of such a change would be.

Off the top of my head, the bulk of invented items would have their material requirements reduced to 73% or so of what they are today at -4/-4. Actually, that figure is too low since many of the components for T2 construction aren't affected by ME.

Whatever that number is, how does that translate into build costs? Demand for raw mats drops since less are needed to build the same number of T2 items. But if T2 items cost less to build, people are going to pass the savings onto the buyers in order to undercut the competition. As prices of T2 items drop, how much does demand increase as more items enter a usable price range? If T2 items use fewer raw materials a piece, but are being produced in larger numbers, does that actually increase the demand of raw mats? What's it do to the price of data cores? Most importantly, what's it do for my ISK / hour?

The answers are far from straight forward. I doubt anybody knows for sure, but that isn't to say it's impossible to make a soundly reasoned prediction. What I do know is that it's far from certain that inventors would be better off overall than they are now, or even better off than they are relative to BPO owners.

That wouldn't actually change anything for this guy. This is just Dunning Kruger mixed with a gross delusion of entitlement.

He's obviously a really bad industrialist. You can plainly tell from the content of his posts that, to call this guy's grasp of game mechanics and basic economic principles "tenuous" would be an act of titanic generosity.

Here's what he "knows", in a nutshell:
1. Some people make absurd amounts of money from industry.
2. He makes very little from industry.
3. This could not possibly be because of some personal failing and so must surely be the result of some inherent unfairness in the game.

Simply changing the game mechanics that he doesn't understand to other, different mechanics that he still wouldn't understand will not alter his situation because people who do understand the game mechanics will still be beating him bloody at every turn. All of the above will still be true. Other people will still make absurd amounts of money from industry, he will still make extremely mediocre money from industry, and it will still be inconceivable (to him) that this is a personal failing instead of some systemic problem with the game as a whole.

That's it troll and make personal attacks. Please let Akita do the T2BPO supporting as they are the only one on your side that makes any relevent posts regarding T2BPO other than. ''This guys a douche, just because he never got a free T2BPO, why should I give up my one, cry cry cry.''

As stated I have given plenty of reason why T2BPO suck the primary being the unfair way they were seeded/gifted and the fact that they out perform invention which makes zero sense. Invention requires a lot more effort than T2BPO's do and the reward should reflect this.

You do realize that most of the people who think you're an imbecile don't actually own T2 BPOs themselves... right?

I own zero. I owned one once for about 7 hours, because I saw it on contracts at what I concluded to be well below its fair market value. Seven hours later I resold it for a profit that would have been, at a minimum, 3 years worth of actually producing from the print.

I made over 2 billion from production last week, and by "last week" I mean "between Sunday and Wednesday", and I am a far cry from a titan of industry. That is vastly more than most T2 BPOs will produce in a month, and more than many will produce in a year.

Thus, the only conclusion I can possibly reach is that anyone who would cry for so long and so hard about the "unfairness" of such a dismal earner like T2 BPOs must simply be exceedingly bad at industry. I have yet to see any indication to the contrary.

Where da **** do you get dismal earner from? What is dismal about an item that earns 100bn isk instantly from base value of BPO alone and then continues to print upwards of 30bn isk per year afk? What is dismal about that. There was a reason they were given secretly out because they allow massive ammounts of ISK to be earned with zero effort.

Invention however takes effort and thus should far out perfom T2BPO's? If T2BPO's are a good thing then create more and more of them. Also why is there no T3BPO's surely we need a T3BPO lottery? OH wait confirming T2BPO's are terrible and in dire need of nerfing/removal or invention buffed so far beyond T2BPO as to relegate them to hanger collectables in memory of the days when EVE online was a crapfest of corruption ie Now.

And here is a perfect example of why your whole argument is flawed, seriously.

Question, what is the difference between two items that can both be produced by invention and T2 BPOs, one with low volume and one with high?

Answer, volume not the presence of T2 BPOs.

Open question, why are the marauders not profitable to invent for most players?

I'll let you answer that one.

PIG NEWTONS!

Hook...

Line....

And sinker.

Oh dear. He was doing so well. Poor thing.

Note that we never actually said T2 BPOs are good for EVE.
We agree with you that EVE would be a better place if T2 BPOs would have never existed.
But "never having existed" DOES NOT EQUAL "should be removed". It's a small but crucial difference.
Removing them would cause more harm than good. Adding more would cause more harm than good too.


And this is what you keep failing to get : marauders are most of the time NOT profitable to invent IN SPITE of the fact that no marauder BPOs exist. Same story for JFs and a few other T2 items.
This is a FACT. No T2 BPOs at all, yet still losing money if inventing and manufacturing then selling at market price.
Now try to understand WHY that happens. Then you'll see why removing T2 BPOs serves nobody.