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Fear is the mind killer.

(By the way, you double posted on your various alts.)



There are various types of roaming gangs, but all have one thing in common... they roam. They are not dependant of a safe station to dock in when things heat up, or having a stash of different ships and modules to swap out to if they meet appropriate resistance.

The concept of a roaming gang being unable to function unless they have a safe harbor in the target system/area is ludicrous.

Not to derail the thread, but in short.

1: Most roaming gangs rely on fast ships and mobility to find targets of opportunity, strike hard, move on. Frigates, cruisers, Tier 3 battle cruisers, inexpensive EW. Their exit route is as important, if not more so, than their entry route. A 50 jump circuit is not only possible, but often preferable. You do not want to be there when the enemy reships appropriately and musters sufficient forces to engage you. And you certainly don't want to make your exit into even more dangerous hostile space behind the enemy lines. This is an ideal tactic for a smaller force to to use to engage a larger force successfully, and in no way is it dependent on docking in the target area... that will only get you trapped and overwhelmed.

2: While a remote rep gang 'can" be a roaming gang, more often than not they are a force sent out to attain a specific objective. Remote repping fleets can easily outfight a much larger force if properly set up, especailly if they have a well trained group of logistics pilots assisting them. Amarr fleets in particular excel at successfully taking advantage of this tactic. However your typical RR fleet is not the most moble (there are exceptions) and must generally plan on fighting their way in and then back out of a situation. If your situation is one of being outnumbered by the Minmatar, this is a skill that you really, really need to develop rather than dismissing out of hand.... and you need to learn when and where to apply it.

3: Fleets relying on individual active repping are not viable under current game mechanics for any sort of serious fleet engagements. Hopefully this will change with upcoming balancing changes. They lack the buffer to stand up to the combined alpha of more than a few ships long enough for their reps to actually save them. Mentioning them in a discussion about roaming fleets (or any type of serious fleet engagement for that matter) is pointless.

To answer other remarks, yes, the defender has the home turf advantage of being able to dock up and repair or switch fits. This is logical in an area engaged in an active territorial dispute. This is why wars tend to be fought along "fronts", with reasonable access to those same services for the aggressor being near at hand on their side of the "front". Sometimes making a strike at a poorly defended area deeper behind enemy lines can pay dividends, but this is much more difficult to accomplish, as is logical. Also remember, in your systems you will have this same "home turf" advantage.

The only thing this does is force you to use appropriate strategies on how to deploy and outfit your fleets without the luxury of having a fully equiped base of operations in the target system. Instead your strategies will have to revolve around thrusts into and back out of hostile territory, or using the more limited safety of a POS to stage out of.

Thats about as brief, and as simple, as I can make it without writing you a step by step manual. This stuff is EVE combat 101, complaints about not being able to dock in a contested system are at best amusing. If that is your main gripe with the proposed changes you aren't going to get much sympathy.

No, it doesn't stop everything in the system. It makes for cloaky jerks who ruin the lives of ratting/plexing carebears. You never know if you are going to get hotdropped by a small gang of bombers, or a full on capital fleet. It makes for a lot of excitement in whatever 0.0 area you are in.

I agree that it is an annoyance, but only a minor one. Does it need minor rebalancing? Mmmmmmmayyyybe... The funny thing is, a good number of people that get hotdropped at one point in their lives, lose a multi billion isk ship (tengu, carrier etc) whine and cry about it for a couple weeks, end up doing it too. There's sometimes nothing more motivating than fear. Or revenge.

Oh yeah, I've been hotdropped many, many times. Don't do it myself....yet. Waiting for my blops skill.

Let me stop you right there. Roaming gangs actually have 2 things in common. 1)They roam and 2) they are a gang.

The rest of your post are just different qualities of the types of gangs you may like to fly in. But they don't apply to every sort of roaming gang.


And sorry, not to be crass, but unless your an alt of some other player with a more impressive killboard I don't really care what your think "eve combat 101" is.

Will they effect fighter/fighterbombers also? or just standard drones?

No

wey, only drones, not fighters/bombers

I am 100% only drones.

This missile launcher update...
is this going to effect the Fighter Bombers (launcher) animation?
(dont have the time to check for myself for a while)

Personally I don't think the changes are harsh enough, I'm looking forward to some aspects, but frankly you guys need to close the loophole for neutrals. Make docking rights apply to players with low standings, and not just enemy militia. You shouldn't be incentivizing people to just leave FW to grief people or get around the purpose of the mechanics.

Secondly, what about the cyno jammers? Are they coming in or no? And if not, why not? We're tired of 0.0 super cap blobs being able to hotdrop us from across the galaxy (sometimes literally) whenever they're bored. Give us some freaking control of our own space.